Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?

[Roughsoul1991]

I already said, I forgive others because I know if I were to hold any grudges or what not, I am harming myself.

I don't need Jesus to tell me to forgive others, or perhaps you can say, he gave me the wisdom to understand why it is actually in my self interest to forgive others.

I need Jesus every single day. Without Jesus the message of Paul would be pointless.

 

[John146]

Good let's also compare.
Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

End times is a future event. Whole world is a unbound universal gospel that is fit for the whole world. Obviously the world grows and so does populations. Nations spread out. But the Gospel continues to fulfill the promise that it is reaching in every generation the known world.

But that is theology with different theological opinions. Back to the same Gospel not 2.

Romans 14:17
17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,

1 Corinthians 4:20
20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

Acts 19:8
Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God.”

Acts 28:23
23 They arranged to meet Paul on a certain day, and came in even larger numbers to the place where he was staying. He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus.

Same Gospel.

Hebrews 12:28-29 New International Version (NIV)
28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”

No other Gospel but Jesus Christ as admitted by Paul.

Galatians 1:6-7 New International Version (NIV)
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Christ brought in the New Testament. The good news had arrived. John 3:16 Christ died for all. Whoever would believe shall be saved. Not very legalistic sounding?

John 6:28–29
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

John must of missed the legalistic part. Again same Gospel.

The gospel of the kingdom is concerning the kingdom of heaven, the promised earthly kingdom of the Jews. There is a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. Both will be realized at the Lord's second coming. Paul's gospel has been preached unto all the world, and yet, the end is not come.

 

[John146]

I need Jesus every single day. Without Jesus the message of Paul would be pointless.

Without Paul, you wouldn't understand how to be saved and live for Jesus.

 

[Guojing]

I need Jesus every single day. Without Jesus the message of Paul would be pointless.

I hope you are not committing adultery, not just because Jesus says we are not to. But rather, its because you love your wife too much.

 

[Aerials1978]

Without Paul, you wouldn't understand how to be saved and live for Jesus.

That’s not necessarily true. What the about Ethiopian Eunuch? Certainly Paul’s ministry has not begun and that man certainly wasn’t Jewish.

 

[Aerials1978]

I hope you are not committing adultery, not just because Jesus says we are not to. But rather, its because you love your wife too much.

I would fall on the side of Jesus. Ones wife cannot save a man from eternal damnation regardless of how much he loves her.

 

[Guojing]

I would fall on the side of Jesus. Ones wife cannot save a man from eternal damnation regardless of how much he loves her.

Your wife will be sad to know that, but never mind.

 

[Aerials1978]

Your wife will be sad to know that, but never mind.

Why never mind? I’m not wrong in my post.

 

[Guojing]

Why never mind? I’m not wrong in my post.

The Law said don't commit adultery but does not tell you to love your wife.

Thru grace, you love your wife so much that you don't want to commit adultery.

 

[Aerials1978]

Your wife will be sad to know that, but never mind.

The Law said don't commit adultery but does not tell you to love your wife.

Thru grace, you love your wife so much that you don't want to commit adultery.

By Gods moral law we are judged and condemned. Through grace by Christ we are declared not guilty. A man can love his wife but still commit adultery by lusting after another women. It’s part of our fallen nature.

 

[Judges1318]

Don't get me wrong, God still heals today, but healing is no longer a sign gift.

You need to get out on the mission field.

 

[FlyingDove]

Agree context is very important but you must also understand prophecy has a now and to come type of message. The end times will affect us all regardless if the prophecy is directed to the Jews as to why every verse is important to learn from. By standing firm until the end and I will be saved is just as true for me as it was to Jesus's audience. Obviously if one loses faith and apostates, then they have walked away from the only source of salvation.

As it was said all scripture is written for us and will affect us in one way either directly or indirectly.

Earlier, I spoke to your position of adding to scripture in Matt 24:13. We can't ignore the context and broadly paint everyone into any one verse.

Example:
Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Ok, Jesus tells his disciples DON'T go to gentiles. Would that statement Jesus made here be applicable for the Church today?

The same application I offered in my 1st reply is the same here. Jesus is speaking to Jews (ONLY) under the law. We can't broadly paint future Christians/The Body of Christ into this verse.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I hope you are not committing adultery, not just because Jesus says we are not to. But rather, its because you love your wife too much.

Well the Bible is our absolute source of morality. The culture is sprinting towards sexual freedoms even in marriages that 20 years ago would of shocked most people. So without it technically our sinners nature may had no problem with adultry.

I would ask you what makes it wrong? Why is it wrong? On whose authority?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Earlier, I spoke to your position of adding to scripture in Matt 24:13. We can't ignore the context and broadly paint everyone into any one verse.

Example:
Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Ok, Jesus tells his disciples DON'T go to gentiles. Would that statement Jesus made here be applicable for the Church today?

The same application I offered in my 1st reply is the same here. Jesus is speaking to Jews (ONLY) under the law. We can't broadly paint future Christians/The Body of Christ into this verse.

Agree. So what?

 

[Aerials1978]

Ha ha

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The Law said don't commit adultery but does not tell you to love your wife.

Thru grace, you love your wife so much that you don't want to commit adultery.

The Law said don't commit adultery but does not tell you to love your wife.

Which law? Moral? Noahide law? Mosaic law? Yes one of the ten commandments in the Mosiac law says do not commit adultery. But those are not the only laws in scripture. I would disagree after reading the whole Bible it definitely tells me to love my wife. Moral law in itself proclaims to treat others how I would want to be treated. We are to love ourselves as seen through the eyes of a loving God and in Holy fear of God to creation perspective. If I love myself in that way not a prideful way then I should love others as I would want to be loved.

Thru grace, you love your wife so much that you don't want to commit adultery.

What perfect Christian romance novel are you reading? Reality and statistically Christian's still struggle with sin including adultery in which is even looking at a woman in lust. 80% of Male Christians was found to be addicted to porn. 52% of Pastors. These are just those who was honest. And testimony after testimony often shows the men truly loved their wives but sin and addiction drug deep inside like a parasite dependent on its host and eventually the host begins to die while the parasite continued to grow. The host feeling helpless as their life is completely sucked dry by the parasite.

What seemed at first as a small unnoticed parasite eventually grew into what ultimately destroyed the host.

Love is 90% action, 10% feeling. Because anyone married knows it takes a lot of work to love.

 

[John146]

Love is 90% action, 10% feeling. Because anyone married knows it takes a lot of work to love.

Kinda disagree here. My wife is a wonderful Christian woman who has always stood by my side. It’s not work at all. It’s easy for me to love her. With all my heart, I love her.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Kinda disagree here. My wife is a wonderful Christian woman who has always stood by my side. It’s not work at all. It’s easy for me to love her. With all my heart, I love her.

I'm just speaking as a majority of statistics and research dealing with marriage. All the spiritual counseling dealing with marriage that marriage for the average people doesn't just mesh with no turmoil, bad seasons, and fights. Often times the worst being the first few years. Divorce rates including in the church are still high.

Many couples do not find a solid foundation until later in years if marriage unfortunately many do not survive the first decade. Average marriages that end in divorce is 6 years.

Love isnt just a emotion as to why scripture has like 4 different languages of love. Loving your neighbors or enemies often times is a action more than emotion. Of course the more action may stir up emotion but emotion dies if one stops acting or participating in the marriage.

 

[Guojing]

You need to get out on the mission field.

There is no 100% physical manifestation of healing now. You don't disagree with that correct?

 

[bud62]

One can turn their back and lose faith, but God remains faithful. Circumstances in life may cause a believer to drift away from the Lord, but the Lord never loses that which is His.

Satan and all the devils , Belonged to GOD until they sinned , If WE hold on to SIN until we DIE , We will also be LOST , It don't matter how much we say we are saved , or if we where saved , THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH , GOD DON'T LIE . 2- JOHN 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of CHRIST, hath not GOD . 1 - JOHN 3:8 Whosoeveris born of GOD doth not commit sin;
1 - JOHN 3:6 Whosoever abideth in HIM SINNETH not , 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the Devil: GOD doesn't LIE .
REV 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints ; here are they that keep the commandments of GOD , and the faith of JESUS , This is a requirement for GODs saints . It says they are keeping the Commandments . Satan was cast out of Heaven for Sinning .I HOPE you Don't think that GODs going to lie and let us in when we are sinning .Heaven wouldn't be any better then this earth . It would be FULL of sin and sinners TOO . Nothing that maketh a lie or defileth , will not enter there in . THIS MEANS US . GOD PLEASE HELP US ,WE NEED IT .