Spotted Wolves

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oyster67

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There are many wolves who parade around in sheep's clothing. They are here in our midst. They are easily identified if you know what to look for. Any man that teaches that Salvation is not freely available to every man, woman and child on this Earth is teaching a false religion that is diametrically opposed to the Gospel. Jesus came and shed His precious blood at Calvary so that whosever would may come of thier own free will. The wolves teach that men do not have a free will to come to Jesus just as they are. They call anyone that disagrees with them a "free-willer". Please come to Jesus today. Let no man coming in with lies trick you into thinking Jesus will not accept all who will humbly surrender their all to Him. Mark them well who would turn the little children away from the Kingdom.

Jude 1
1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
 

Whispered

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#2
Are these spotted wolves teachers? Or are they parishioners that are led to believe what they share here?
I would suggest there is a difference.
 

oyster67

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Are these spotted wolves teachers? Or are they parishioners that are led to believe what they share here?
I would suggest there is a difference.
I do not differentiate. All who are, or pretend to be, Christians are watched by the world. A wolf in sheep's clothing is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I will leave it at that. Wolves are obviously not true Christians.
 

Whispered

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I do not differentiate. All who are, or pretend to be, Christians are watched by the world. A wolf in sheep's clothing is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I will leave it at that. Wolves are obviously not true Christians.
What of that which is not so obvious?

What if someone believes they are a true sheep? Let us say they were raised in a particular Denomination, taken to church from the time they were an infant, and thus were led to believe as they do and share here. Unaware that the teachings they were raised with are not the actual true Gospel message.

Would you hold that person responsible for being wrongly led to believe they are in the fold? Would you still think they are a wolf?
 

oyster67

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If a man lack's understanding and cannot rightly divide the Truth, then He should not be leading others in the wrong direction. True doctrine is not convoluted or hard to be understood by a true man of God. We are commanded to contend for the Truth.
 

oyster67

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Would you hold that person responsible for being wrongly led to believe they are in the fold? Would you still think they are a wolf?
A man who chooses to be led by Calvin, and not Christ, is not innocent. When they go a step further and lead others astray, they become false teachers by definition. That is what the Word tells us. No sympathy for the devil or his work. We must be led by the Spirit of understanding. God will not leave any seeker of truth out on a limb of confusion. He will often use Christians to point them in the right direction. You can tell which ones are proud and haughty and which ones are willing to take God at His Word.
 
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There are many wolves who parade around in sheep's clothing. They are here in our midst. They are easily identified if you know what to look for. Any man that teaches that Salvation is not freely available to every man, woman and child on this Earth is teaching a false religion that is diametrically opposed to the Gospel. Jesus came and shed His precious blood at Calvary so that whosever would may come of thier own free will. The wolves teach that men do not have a free will to come to Jesus just as they are. They call anyone that disagrees with them a "free-willer". Please come to Jesus today. Let no man coming in with lies trick you into thinking Jesus will not accept all who will humbly surrender their all to Him. Mark them well who would turn the little children away from the Kingdom.

Jude 1
1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
You know....JUDE compares false teachers to three men....

Cain <---peddle the works of his hands
Korah <----Rebelled against MOSES and by default GOD by trying to usurp the man God called to use
Balaam <----Did it for the money

while I agree salvation is open to all, we cannot alleviate the following truth.'

MANY are called, but few chosen

MANY does not equal ALL
FEW is even less of a number than many and for sure less than ALL
 

oyster67

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Do you really think me a mad rager who knashes his teeth and foams at the mouth? I love the Calvinists, but we must also think of those they are deceiving. They should not begiven a pulpit from which to deceive and mislead. Love them, but hate their lies.
 
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You know....JUDE compares false teachers to three men....

Cain <---peddle the works of his hands
Korah <----Rebelled against MOSES and by default GOD by trying to usurp the man God called to use
Balaam <----Did it for the money

while I agree salvation is open to all, we cannot alleviate the following truth.'

MANY are called, but few chosen

MANY does not equal ALL
FEW is even less of a number than many and for sure less than ALL
Yes the key word is "many" . As many as the father gave. That exclusive all alone will come. They alone are being drawn .Not one more or one less.

As many as do come they are led by the will of God that works in sons of God to both will and do the good pleasure of God. No longer bound by the will of sin .The god of this world. . Mankind was not created to do their own .

How would that serve the Faithfull Creator ?

MANY does equal ALL that were chosen.
 

oyster67

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Yes the key word is "many" .
When it comes to the availability of Salvation, the key word is "all". If you disagree with this statement, then say so.
 
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Yes the key word is "many" . As many as the father gave. That exclusive all alone will come. They alone are being drawn .Not one more or one less.

As many as do come they are led by the will of God that works in sons of God to both will and do the good pleasure of God. No longer bound by the will of sin .The god of this world. . Mankind was not created to do their own .

How would that serve the Faithfull Creator ?

MANY does equal ALL that were chosen.
NO...many does not equal ALL...........nice try to twist it......
 
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In John 6:44 doesn't Jesus say that no one can come to him unless the Father draws them? (is this what's happening?)

And doesn't Paul maybe (if it's Paul) write that God (the Father, maybe) will have mercy on who he has mercy and that he will harden who he hardens?

Isn't who is saved a choice that God (the Father?) makes?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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If a man lack's understanding and cannot rightly divide the Truth, then He should not be leading others in the wrong direction. True doctrine is not convoluted or hard to be understood by a true man of God. We are commanded to contend for the Truth.

don't the scriptures say not many should be teachers? for a fact, there are self identified teachers here and using this forum as a platform

just a couple of days ago I read where one stated that they were teaching all who read their posts...so they do consider themself to be either a teacher or a preacher or perhaps both

I have a varied background and have been exposed to all sorts of teaching and I can state that God will lead us into truth by His Spirit and that can be painful as we leave what we once believed behind and really see a different paradigm

you are right. biblical doctrine is not convoluted nor is it hard to understand. Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto Me. unlearned but open hearted children who believe in Jesus. that is not something hard to understand

and James tells us to ask wisdom of God
 

oyster67

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'All' definitely is many, but pleeease don't let thread devolve into a hair-splitting contest like so many others have become.
 

oyster67

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Isn't who is saved a choice that God (the Father?) makes?
The Scripture is clear on this. Of course God could choose to take or leave anyone He chose to, but that is not His plan. He wants to let us choose. We should all know that. I think maybe we do. Lets stop playing dumb little games and wake up to the fact that there are multitudes of true seekers watching us right now. They are getting tired of watching this game of tiddely-winks.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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there are very few threads that continue with the idea the op had in mind

I have given up on starting threads because of that

personally, I think people who deviate far off and hijack the thread should be booted out of the thread...not banned but just shut out of the thread

little side discussions are fine but when someone totally hijacks a thread as was done to the one about salvation it is just plain wrong IMO
 

NOV25

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If a man lack's understanding and cannot rightly divide the Truth, then He should not be leading others in the wrong direction. True doctrine is not convoluted or hard to be understood by a true man of God. We are commanded to contend for the Truth.
I agree.
 

NOV25

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Romans 9:6-23 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?