Beautiful and inspiring song that I just heard today. It speaks of faith, grace, and surrender.
Not By Works
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People that have been sold out to religion and that wilfully in stubbornness close their eyes to the truth will die in their sins just like most of the Pharisees.......Jesus tried for a little under 3.5 years to open their eyes and they flat refused the truth and instead trusted in their religious ordinances and hoop jumping......they did not make the cut.
He peddles a gift that must be earned or worked for........just another false teacher leading people astray....
And you are deceived.
Amazing how the religionists conflate JAMES and PAUL.......and in so doing void the message of truth and make two fold the children of hell by their false gospels....
PAUL -->before God a man is 100% saved and justified by faith into JESUS without ONE work attached
James-->MERE belief in GOD justifies no man, but the genuine faith identified by PAUL that justifies a man before GOD without ONE work attached can be seen by MEN through the works that we have been saved to walk IN (Ephesians) and....
EVEN IF WE DON"T DO ONE WORK
To him that WORKS NOT, but believes on HIM that justifies the ungodly, HIS FAITH is credited unto righteousness
THEY absolutely reject and deny the above verse by the cafe blend works dogma they peddle
When @OneOfHis came on this site he was opposing truth and standing on religious blather.....and he maligned me just like a few of these other so called believers are doing now....and we engaged each other and Jamie was open to the truth and he came on line with the truth and I am thankful for his stance now.......he defends the truth and does not skew it now as some of these other posters do.
Make a stiffer stand on the truth.......when all men speak well of you <----google that and read the verses my little brother
So is James correct by saying a man is justified by works, and not by faith only? Is this Church doctrine?
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There are a few others that should take the exit off of Route 66 into that sleepy little town called Banneville as well.
John, do not patronise me....James is speaking of our claim of faith being justified BEFORE MEN......
Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law. <---PAUL
I came here with the intention to share the truth, but also had to be honest with myself.
When something rings true... and is different from what I believe... I will be spending constant time asking God to show me what He wants me to see until I am convinced. I'm not afraid of being wrong or admitting I am wrong. But I will NOT say something about God or His Word which I do not believe...
He delivered me from those false beliefs and the bondage and dread that came with them.
(and He used members of His body to help me see errors I did not previously...)
You can lose the bolded straw man argument.....it is your modus operandi and it is rather sickening that you use it....
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There sure is a lot of religious blather these days!
Jaime had the right foundation .... not so sure in other cases.
Are we to justify ourselves before other people? Why? How? If I do a good work where people see it, that justifies that I’m a believer? How many works? Do you justify other believers? Paul says that Jesus is the just and justifier.
Btw, Abraham’s example in James...there was no one upon that mount to justify Abraham except God. Abraham was justified by God not man.
It is about being a witness and letting His love shine through us without being partial.
We are called to be blameless, but before God this can not be so through effort.
Jesus's righteousness justifies us before God.
Our actions before man who can not see the heart justify us before man.
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.
i was thinking of that verse as i was typing i even thought about writing it to my message.
Can you really determine the salvation of another by observing their good works?
Here’s the difference. James is speaking of justification through a persons own faith. James writes:
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Paul says the believer is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Yet James says to the Jews, a man is justified by works and not by faith only.
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Who was Abraham justified by? God, not man.
Genesis 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
You ask "
Can you really determine the salvation of another by observing their good works?"
My answer would be a simple "no"
which i have said in the last couple pages that "works" can be no more than "evidence" before man and proof for no one....
A man can say he will show his faith by his works till hes blue in the face and built a whole bridge for orphans, its still not proof lol... but that doesnt take away from the fact that we in Christ who are saved already appart from works
ought to not waste our time and let His love shine as a demonstration of His power in us
...dont let anyone call our family unloving with good reason
You are conflating issues and missed the whole point.
No one, will be justified before God by ANYTHING appart from the righteousness of Christ