Not By Works
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Then make sure you understand what the poster is saying. If they are a Christian, you cannot / should not accuse them of practising salvation by works.
You constantly lie about others.
To say "you speak against works" or suggest that someone IS against good works, that is taking a stance that you honestly believe they see good works as evil or something to avoid.
No one here has done that.
To say someone trusts in works to be saved, it means they see the difference between being unsaved and saved is the actions they do opposed to solely being covered by Jesus.
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Anyone who does not agree with God that they have eternal, a secure salvation which cannot be forsaken, forfeited or lost is preaching a gospel of works which is no gospel at all.
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EleventhHour
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It is ohhhh so loving.... to falsely state someone is an atheist and leading people away from Jesus.
The only thing we have been telling you in various ways is that you are WRONG and when it comes to salvation TRUTH is paramount.
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If someone teaches that the future sins of a person are not atoned for....I would be more than concerned.
I see you calling others stupid, then not liking it when someone is harsh with you.
you have no room to criticize others when you call folks stupid and never apologize or show any remorse for doing so.
Such people seem determined to drag us all onto that emotional ride of fear and bondage to IN-security. Misery loves company.
Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
Jude 1:1 - Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ.
For eternal IN-securists "slippery grace/difficult burden perseverance/self preservation" IS a big part of THEIR gospel. They seem to believe that Christ merely "initially" saved them, but now it's up to them to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" and "keep themselves saved" through personal endeavor and self preservation and seem to be satisfied with believing that Christians all around them may be losing their salvation, but that is not the case for them because they have worked so hard at "preserving themselves."
*Now guess who gets ALL the credit for that?
His words are the foundation of our faith. I encourage you to embrace His words accurately.
Forgiveness of others is an expression of faith that must occur for one to be saved.
That's far different than saying (if you are saying) that righteous acts literally earn our salvation.
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EleventhHour
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Wow, this really a new revelation on your ongoing works dogma.
There was a guy who used to post on CC who said that being a Christian isn’t always easy. Sometimes you have to hug a drunk who just threw up all over himself.
The actual act of hugging such a person is a work; its a physical act that helps someone. Having the love, compassion and desire to hug such a person is a fruit. IOWs a work is an act; a fruit is the essence of a person’s heart, mind and spirit that has been transformed and nurtured by God.
Forgiving someone is a fruit, not a work, because the forgiveness in and of itself is the essence of a person’s heart. I hope I wasn’t too confusing.
Interesting question coming from someone who is not Christian as per your profile.
I haven't seen truth from you. I've quoted many of your lies though.
Hebrews confirms this:
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.
Hebrews 6:7-9
In the end if your faith is dead faith and you don't have the things that accompany salvation you are going to be burned, not saved. In the end, if you haven't produced the things that accompany salvation you don't have the salvation you think you have. You have dead faith that can not save. You do not have the footprints of faith, as Abraham, the example of faith, had.
Faith acts. Faith moves. Faith changes a person. If it doesn't, your fate is the lake of fire.