Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?
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Just use any standard Christian forum as an example. How many times do you see people quoting from the 4 Gospels, vis a vis the other books?
But if you disagree, that is okay, since its an opinion.
All I’m asking you is what’s your view on the phrase gospel of the kingdom? You deny that’s even in scripture. What does the phrase represent? Simple question.
It’s not only attitude, but one actually saying you fool. And by the way, your version took out the phrase, “without a cause.”
If someone evil attacks me, I’m employing self defense and will resist that evil.
Anger "without a cause/you fool" stems from sinful motives (anger and hatred). In Matthew 5:21, Jesus said, "whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment" and in verse 22, Jesus said - "whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.." It's a heart issue.
And He's addressing the Jews, not the body of Christ. This is not Church doctrine. Or do you believe you can lose your salvation by calling someone a fool?
So, if you believe Jesus is talking to believers, you must believe that our salvation is at stake by getting angry at someone calling them a fool.
Btw, what's your view on the phrase "gospel of the kingdom?"
I don't believe that Jesus is talking about believers losing their salvation over a "heat of the moment" situation of calling someone a fool. Murder and hatred here stems from ongoing sinful motives from an unregenerate heart. In context, Jesus mentions the law and in verse 20, Jesus said - "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." That statement from Jesus probably came as a shock to the multitude of people who had great admiration of the scribes and Pharisees for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law.
The righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees was mere "outward conformity" to the law (coupled with adding their own traditions to the law) yet Jesus points to inward conformity. He says, “You have heard it said, but I say unto you” to differentiate between the way people heard the law taught from how Jesus is reinterpreting it. Obeying the law is more than simply abstaining from physically killing someone, physically committing adultery, breaking oaths etc.. It’s also not getting angry with your brother from a hateful heart, not lusting in your heart, not making insincere oaths etc..
The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees" (self righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith. Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, therighteousness which is from God by faith.
Me and you both.....this side of the cross and before.
It's not a prohibition from subduing an attacker.
It's a prohibition from taking revenge.
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ h 39But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. - Matthew 5:38-39
12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. - James 2:12-13
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Well first off you can't ask a question about salvation that is not theological. Salvation is a work of God and theology is the study of God. It's kind of like asking about something that I did, and saying that you are not asking about the thing that I did.
It could be argued that a person who is a believer could stop believing, and even renounce Christ. That however leaves the question as to whether they ever did believe. Some say no but scripture seems to affirm that some do indeed leave the faith.
Agree, some leave the faith. Some leave because of circumstances in their life is so horrific, they don't understand why God would allow it to happen. And yet, when we are unfaithful, He remains faithful.
We did the Q&A already. Since my time here I have come across some interesting and disturbing beliefs from so called Christians. Christ isn’t God, the Millennial Kingdom is a Jewish myth, people claiming have a different Gospel, people believe God is giving them some kind of new revelation, etc.
This will be the last time I answer this because it has become completely unfruitful. I understand the 2 types of ministries that Jesus and Paul did. The Jews were looking for an earthly kingdom and the Gentiles need grace. The fact is we all need grace. By saying we don’t need to listen to Jesus teachings simply because Paul received a different Gospel is something I never heard before nor do I know anyone who preached it.
I hope this puts a close to this strange and yet informative conversation.
I phased it that way as to get a persons personal belief. Using it as theological question would have invoke many different aspects which just can confuse.
Soooo, you agree that the gospel of the kingdom points to the Jews earthly kingdom. This is not what Paul preached. Paul taught the gospel of the grace of God. It is so obvious that these are different messages. The disciples had no clue about Paul's gospel of the d,b,r of Jesus for sins, and yet they did preach the kingdom gospel.
Just because you haven't heard this before does not make it false.
I don’t know why I still indulging this, but if your claim is true, how could Peter and the other Apostles convert 3000 in Jerusalem if they weren’t preaching the death and resurrection Gospel in Acts Chapter 2!