Not By Works

[EleventhHour]

Yep.
If we who are members of the RedX club enjoy X'ing one another and receiving X's, it takes away from those who use the 'disagree' icon as more than just a means of showing their opinion differs from the one they X'd .
Know what I mean, jelly bean?

I see .... yes ... we are disempowering the red Xers.

 

[Whispered]

Well, it is a bit childish to use X's as a means of hurting someones feelings, or whatever compels someone to use them in other than what they're intended to convey. So, why not disempower that kind of thinking by those kind of people.

 

[PS]

Thank you for rephrasing. I would agree with your statement save for the last part. The found sheep are never lost, can never be lost. If they can be, that would be the responsibility of their Shepherd. Whereas the Shepherd that is Christ has told us,He will lose none that the Father, Jesus was the Father, has given Him.
"Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish."
The Book of Matthew chapter 18.

You still have not considered the other option which is that those sheep have found pastures new and do not want to return.

 

[PS]

Then YOU DO NOT THINK YOU SIN ANY MORE ? ? ?

You have Misinterpreted that VERSE, BIG TIME.


Hebrews 12:5-8 (NRSV)
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as children— "My child, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, or lose heart when you are punished by him;
6 for the Lord disciplines those whom he loves, and chastises every child whom he accepts."
7 Endure trials for the sake of discipline. God is treating you as children; for what child is there whom a parent does not discipline?
8 If you do not have that discipline in which all children share, then you are illegitimate and not his children.

Of course, we continue to sin, and do you think Jesus turns a blind eye and says, "It is all right, they are one of my sheep, they can do as they like and I will always forgive them regardless?

 

[PS]

They do remain.
The passage is talking about those who did not accept the Good News. They did not believe in it, and as a consequence the Father does not abide in them.
They went out from us because they were not one of us.We are all one in Christ. There is no Jew, Gentile, rich, poor, male, female.

569. apisteó = Unbelief
hēmeis =1473. egó

https://beta.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 john 2&version=ESV,MOUNCE

That can be said about everyone who leaves one church and goes to another church. Let's face it, OSAS is not exactly mainstream, so all the established churches can legitimately say about you, that are not one of us. You are not, are you, be truthful.

 

[Judges1318]

For context: This ESV may help your understanding, rather than cutting the message into single lines.

The Book of 1st John chapter 2
Christ Our Advocate
2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

The New Commandment
7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard. 8 At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because[a] the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining. 9 Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10 Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him[b] there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.


12 I am writing to you, little children,
because your sins are forgiven for his name's sake.
13 I am writing to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I am writing to you, young men,
because you have overcome the evil one.
I write to you, children,
because you know the Father.
14 I write to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
because you are strong,
and the word of God abides in you,
and you have overcome the evil one.
Do Not Love the World
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life[c]—is not from the Father but is from the world. 17 And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

Warning Concerning Antichrists
18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.[d] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us[e]—eternal life.


26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

Children of God
28 And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. 29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.


Footnotes

1. 1 John 2:8 Or that
2. 1 John 2:10 Or it
3. 1 John 2:16 Or pride in possessions
4. 1 John 2:20 Some manuscripts you know everything
5. 1 John 2:25 Some manuscripts you

He's telling saved people, forgiven children of God, who have an anointing and who know the truth not to be deceived and to let what they heard from the beginning continue in them. For if it does continue in them they will continue in the Son and the Father. All we have to do is read it. It's right there:

2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

12 I am writing to you, little children,
because your sins are forgiven for his name's sake.

18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.[d] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us[e]—eternal life.


26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

Children of God
28 And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. 29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

According to the 1 John 2:24-25 passage above, what happens to the person if what they heard in the beginning doesn't remain in them? Do they remain in the Son and the Father, or not?

don’t forget ve 26 and 27

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you.27. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

of course non of this matters, the next topic John writes about is the saved vs the unsaved.

the unsaved continues to sin, the saved can’t sin because they have been born of God.

the person I quoted and others can not put these spiritual truths in their mind, because they can’t step away from their own pride of how righteous they (think they) are,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You still have not considered the other option which is that those sheep have found pastures new and do not want to return.

Sheep are not that smart.

jesus said his sheep hear his voice, and by nature they follow him.

its the false sheep who find new pastures.. because they do not know their masters voice.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course, we continue to sin, and do you think Jesus turns a blind eye and says, "It is all right, they are one of my sheep, they can do as they like and I will always forgive them regardless?

your false accusations and lies about people are getting old dude.

and your failure to understand what true sin is, and what Gods standard is is even more amazing, especially after prety much everyone has tried to show you for it seems like years

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That can be said about everyone who leaves one church and goes to another church. Let's face it, OSAS is not exactly mainstream, so all the established churches can legitimately say about you, that are not one of us. You are not, are you, be truthful.

You know nothing of the true meaning of church or the body of Christ either sadly

one of his means part of his body, not part of some rinks dink local denominational church,

 

[dcontroversal]

Of course, we continue to sin, and do you think Jesus turns a blind eye and says, "It is all right, they are one of my sheep, they can do as they like and I will always forgive them regardless?

You obviously do not know Jesus as evidenced by what you say....rather sickening how you and your religion devalues Jesus...

He did not come to codemn the world genius...he came to save it......

Your constant devaluation of grace and Jesus disgusts me!

 

[dcontroversal]

your false accusations and lies about people are getting old dude.

and your failure to understand what true sin is, and what Gods standard is is even more amazing, especially after prety much everyone has tried to show you for it seems like years

His devaluation of grace and Jesus is sickening........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is a new deception going on, workers are trying to use then”stop believing” argument to support their work for salvation gospel.

there are serious people who believe that if you no longer want your salvation, God will not force you to keep it, and these people will end up lost. However. When you talk to them, they will never talk of ones character, how musty the person sins, or any other thing, they truly believe the sin issue was removed. They just believe God is a loving God and if one of his kids change their mind he will not force them

i disagree with them, but then again, neither of us believe that person is saved. The difference is I believe they were never saved to begin with.

many of these brothers and sisters I have fellowship with, because many go to my church, and I know some are here in CC with us.

as for these other types. They mock these believers by claiming to be just like them (if you stop believing you will lose salvation) because when you get down to it, they speak constantly of sin, lack of obedience, of falling away, of backsliding, things which are terms used by those who work for salvation, which is completely different for. Saying a child went to God, said here God I no longer want this, thank you, but no thank you. They did not fall away, backslide, anything, they just gave it back

be careful these workers who are using this new term and denying they reject Grace,

 

[PS]

Sheep are not that smart.

jesus said his sheep hear his voice, and by nature they follow him.

its the false sheep who find new pastures.. because they do not know their masters voice.

Sheep know where the grass is greener, and they are stubbornly self-willed. Have you never watched sheep dog trials?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sheep know where the grass is greener, and they are stubbornly self-willed. Have you never watched sheep dog trials?

think about what you just said

you just insinuated a sheep will go into a dead pasture (the world) and walk away from the green pastures of God.

and think that the world is a better place.

 

[PS]

You know nothing of the true meaning of church or the body of Christ either sadly

one of his means part of his body, not part of some rinks dink local denominational church,

So you say the established church, which you dismiss, is not the body of Christ!

You would be best looking towards your own church. What is it called?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you say the established church, which you dismiss, is not the body of Christ!

You would be best looking towards your own church. What is it called?

Um no

i follow the established church

who belongs those adopted by God and given the right to become children because of their faith

Your church was prety much established by Rome in the 300’s ad. And follows the Jewish Christ which was around when Christ died and rejected his sacrifice.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess I am part of the red x brigade now

 

[PS]

think about what you just said

you just insinuated a sheep will go into a dead pasture (the world) and walk away from the green pastures of God.

and think that the world is a better place.

That is what backsliders think.

 

[PS]

Um no

i follow the established church

who belongs those adopted by God and given the right to become children because of their faith

Your church was prety much established by Rome in the 300’s ad. And follows the Jewish Christ which was around when Christ died and rejected his sacrifice.

The Pentecostal Church was the first church. The church of the apostles.

You belong to a church of the last days that we are warned about.