Not By Works

[Whispered]

Your signature. Read again Hebrews 6:4-6 and you will know who it is who falls away. Are people blind?

It is those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come. ​

That's why I linked it. https://bible.org/seriespage/14-who-are-those-who-fall-away-hebrews-61-12
The Book of John chapter 10. The True Christian's Salvation is eternally secure.

When we cannot work so as to earn Salvation, as we're told by the Saint Apostle Paul in the Book of Romans chapter 3:20 For by works of the law no human being[c] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin, we cannot work to lose Salvation. The Book of 1st John chapter 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

You might care to study the subject so as to understand better that when the God of all creation tells us those who are in Christ are eternally secure, that His word is bond. While doubt would pertain to those who are further described in the Book of Hebrews chapter 6. Those who are not truly in faith, or are in the immature and stunted state of belief. Thinking God is not a God of His word, or that Christ's death on the cross did not accomplish what God said was accomplished. Therein thinking there is something that weak believer can do so as to be cast out of Salvation.
It is not uncommon for those who have a surface understanding of scripture, reading just enough to think they know enough, to hold faith in their inability to remain saved because they are certain there is something they can do to lose it.
Why they would argue for that I do not know.
When God said Salvation is eternal and irrevocable, that's God's word. He does not lie, nor take back His Heavenly gift.

Study, to show thyself approved that you might rightly divide the truth of God's word. (the Book of 1st Timothy chapter 2)

 

[dcontroversal]

The law says you must be perfect to earn salvation, it says cursed is the one who does not confirm and do every word.mand thus, as Paul says, no one can be justified. by the law. Because of this fact.

since no one can earn salvation by being perfect, and God gives them the gift kNOWING they will never meet his standard, then why would God take that gift back if they do not meet that standards.

if the father in you example was God and he truely gave that car as a gift, he would not take it back if his son did wrong, because if he did, his gift was a lie, he gave it to try to earn his kids obedience, and when the kid failed, he took it back

thats what you are saying a God does. He decieved by telling us it is a gift, when in reality it is a down payment for us to earn it. By being good.

Their whole premise is wrong and falls short and exactly why if not for a FREE grace based eternal salvation based upon faith NO ONE MAKES the cut..... the following were penned and or spoken by JESUS, the apostles, prophets and HOLY men and women were on the planet and what they cannot grasp is that NO ONE can earn and or MAINTAIN that which JESUS has earned and MAINTAINS on our behalf.

There is NOT a just man upon the earth that does GOOD and sins NOT
ALL of OUR righteousnesses are as FILTHY RAGS and our INIQUITIES like the wind have taken us away
ALL men are liars
There are NONE good no not ONE
ETC.

They cannot grasp the truth of the following.

THE reason salvation is eternal is because it is the SPIRIT that has been BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE and THE SPIRIT is ETERNALLY sealed and saved TO GOD'S KINGDOM...it DOES NOT SIN, is ETERNAL and has ETERNAL LIFE because it has been BORN OF GOD.....it is still BOUND IN A BODY OF SIN that CONTRADICTS and FIGHTS against the SPIRIT that ALWAYS SEEKS to do right........and NO ONE loses SALVATION...THE SPIRIT bears witness with OUR spirit that we are the sons of GOD.....and GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN......<---they cannot grasp this truth.......

WHIPPED.....NOT CAST AWAY or LOST!

 

[dcontroversal]

bro ive never had my fillings refilled is that a painful procedure? to put new fillings in. mine have been there forever could be time for change. anyone know?

No worse than when you first got them migo

 

[dcontroversal]

This is what the Bible says

whoever believes in him will NEVER perish but HaS ETERNAL life

you can’t have eternal life unless that life can never be lost, that would be conditional life

It blows my mind how they seek to devalue JESUS and the LIFE he gives down to a dime store hoop jumping religious self centered losable salvation.....literally, by their own dogma NO ONE is saved

 

[dcontroversal]

Correct, assuming we still believe at the end of our days and have not fallen away like we are told elsewhere.

FALSE

what part of FINISH and COMPLETE do you not understand or cannot seem to grasp

JESUS said HE LOSES NONE and HE FINISHES and COMPLETES the work of faith HE BEGINS

YOU guys absolutely make this into a LIE and by peddling the religious crap that you peddle does INDEED state clearly that JESUS fails and DOES NOT finish and COMPLETE the work of faith he begins in a man.....

and to be frank is is sickening and is blasphemous

 

[dcontroversal]

I am actually not at all intimidating, never overbearing and very a easy going person, so to liken me to your boss is probably not correct.... what I am trying to understand is why you cannot, or will not explain salvation .... you are obviously familiar with the bible.

I do not even know why we even reply to his drivel........maybe just to oppose it for all those on the sidelines reading.......he opposes GOD tooth and nail

 

[Judges1318]

those who are in Christ are eternally secure

That's why we are exhorted to stay in Christ.
Only believers are eternally secure in Christ.
Go back to unbelief and you are no longer secure in Christ.
All the promises are for people who believe, and for them only. Not for those who stop believing.

...to hold faith in their inability to remain saved because they are certain there is something they can do to lose it.

Unbelief is what you can 'do' to lose your salvation.

When God said Salvation is eternal and irrevocable, that's God's word. He does not lie, nor take back His Heavenly gift.

Yes, salvation is eternal. Unlike the salvation that the old covenant provided. It ended when you sinned again, or when the system of priest and sacrifice failed you. Your continued possession of the salvation that will never end is conditioned on your continued trust in Christ. It is through faith that we are shielded by God's power for salvation when Christ returns.

Where does it say salvation is irrevocable for the individual saved person?

Jesus shows us in Matthew 18:23-35 under what conditions the Father will take back a gift.

 

[dcontroversal]

Thank God that He gives us our faith , faith is a gift from God , we remain faithful because He keeps us ...

The bible --> JESUS finishes and completes faith in those who he begins it

These deceivers like PS ---> JESUS is a liar and we MUST keep faithful or lose salvation

 

[dcontroversal]

That sounds like you believe in predestination, whereas I believe Salvation is for all.

The wicked go astray from the womb

God made the wicked for the day of evil

Many are called, but few chosen .....MANY is not ALL

 

[Melach]

No worse than when you first got them migo

ah yes so just as terrible. thanks.

 

[EleventhHour]

I do not even know why we even reply to his drivel........maybe just to oppose it for all those on the sidelines reading.......he opposes GOD tooth and nail

That would be the reason...for those on the sidelines.

 

[dcontroversal]

No

once your saved you HAVE eternal life

your preaching conditional life

why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

ONE must have FAITH.................end of story....!

 

[dcontroversal]

That’s conditional life not eternal life

no matter how you slice it

your saying eternal life is based on YOU not God

EXACTLY............he and a few others SO devalue JESUS and the truth....disgusts me!

 

[dcontroversal]

@PS

I have read over a few of your posts where you have said that God can remove grace from a person and transfer it to someone else.

If I have read that correctly it confuses me.

I can't see how grace can be transferred.
It's available for all and does not need to be transferred.

As you say salvation is available for all but the gift of salvation is not withdrawn and transferred.

It's sounds a bit like pass the parcel to me

Bill......he is a walking talking contradiction............plain as day!

 

[dcontroversal]

O lookie.....Ralphie POO is back to spead his self saving drivel.....

 

[dcontroversal]

No,
God gave grace to the gentiles in OT see ninevah Who repented

grace has always been given to the ones who believe.

His whole application of Romans is a farce and denies there has been and always be a remnant found under grace......

 

[Whispered]

They reject themselves, but there is no coming back because Jesus died once and once only for the sinner.

I'm going.

It would be irresponsible to let that false assertion stand without rebuke. Because there could be someone reading this that happened upon either the thread or that post, and are wondering if it is actually true. Perhaps they left the faith they were raised in, now they're hurting, desperate, and feel the need to return to what they once knew.

To read the above assertion, were it let to stand as is, what hope would that person then have? If they left it at that? "There's no coming back. Jesus died once and once only for the sinner."
While I believe PS should be let to live the faith they have and insist as correct post after post, contrary to correction, I do not believe their faith should be let to stand without rebuke because those who seek solace in their hope of return may actually believe what PS says.

PS is wrong!

Everything that was accomplished for the repentant sinner who came to Christ, was forgiven, and renewed in Jesus, stands for eternity.
Lets get that clear first and foremost. This way whomever may be seeking solace are assured in one sentence that they are not without hope and are instead lost forever. You're not.
For you, anyone who lost faith, that backslider as they're sometimes called, was regenerated in Christ when they came into forgiveness and rebirth in the spirit. Behold the old has gone and the new has arrived. A new creation, who has been washed clean of their sins that God remembers no more, and regenerated in the faith and spirit of Christ Jesus as a new creation. Because that old creation prone to sin, dead in their sins, is now dead. And what arose in the Baptism by water and/or by the Holy Spirit, is a new creation, a new creature alive in Christ. And washed clean of your former sins.

If you are here looking to see if you are able to return to the faith you abandoned for whatever reason before, know that all you need do is repent. Not so that God knows what you've done since you fell away, as He is eternally aware of all things. Rather, it is for the sake of your own peace of mind, that you acknowledge what you've done, are sorely sorry, and repent of those things that held you down, held you back, from the peace you once knew in the faith you left behind.

You are able to leave the faith, however the faith is deeper and more encompassing than just holding the thought that Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. The faith of God in Christ, is a spirit. And that sacred Holy Spirit of God, that is God, entered into you, sealed you with the covenant of regeneration and renewal, and rebirth in this life, for all time.

God knows the heart. And God even saw that you would stumble on your journey with Him due to the circumstances life thew at you.

I think one of the most wonderful assurances on the market today is the very simple message set in the poem, Footprints In The Sand.(Link)

You can never lose your Salvation. Never. Jesus died and took the sins of the world upon Himself once. And that sacrifice carries the promise the sacrifice was made for, the covenant seal He was born to deliver and die to guarantee, for all eternity.

You the backslider may have fallen from the faith however, Jesus did not let you go. You've found your way back, now repent, and welcome home. God has always loved you.

Do not ever let yourself be persuaded by false doctrinaires that you can lose your Salvation, or that you can never return to Christ once you've left the faith. God is all things, there is nowhere you can go that you can be without Him present in your life.

Read here to your hearts content. why a christian can never lose salvation The Bible is truth. Those who contend against it are not.

Welcome home.

 

[Rosemaryx]

True. (Unless you follow Satan.) You mean nothing praiseworthy? Only teasing.

Seriously , do not ever joke on satans name , he has been a round a lot longer than you , I do not find your teasing funny...
Maybe he found your humor funny , I am Gods daughter , saved for eternity , today , tomorrow and always , never to be cast out , for I am His , and He is mine says the LORD my God...

 

[dcontroversal]

Seriously , do not ever joke on satans name , he has been a round a lot longer than you , I do not find your teasing funny...
Maybe he found your humor funny , I am Gods daughter , saved for eternity , today , tomorrow and always , never to be cast out , for I am His , and He is mine says the LORD my God...

Amen Rose and absolutely true....keep swinging my beloved Sister....the enemies of Christ are rank and file deep and time is short

 

[Rosemaryx]

Amen Rose and absolutely true....keep swinging my beloved Sister....the enemies of Christ are rank and file deep and time is short

I thought his comment was a very low jab , I mean seriously , how can one joke on satans name , made me cringe if I am honest .
...xox...