Christ is God

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

You keep posting texts from the epistles supposedly proving that Jesus is God.

Let us consider the facts that the writer in the opening of the epistle gives thanks to God our Father and to our Lord Jesus Christ.

That is all, guys.

Now he supposedly changes his mind as he proceeds and states that Jesus is God.

But he begins a new epistle with the same thanks giving to God our Father and to Jesus Christ our Lord and supposedly states again that Jesus is God as he progresses.

So he didn't change his mind, did he?

Only those who had to account for the imposed pagan-styled three gods theology had to provide some "proof".

Also in opening of the Revelation John clearly states in Jn 1:1+6 what he is talking about.

Again, he supposedly changes his mind as he progresses.

We are to "build" our theology on good foundation. Instead, many "build" it without foundation.

No wonder why theologies of the tens of thousands of registered Christian denomination's not only differ but often contradict.

It is almost impossible for followers of one of the denomination's theology to consider the other one's theology because their preachers make it so "clear" to them that it is beyond reproach.

Yet all we are commanded to say is exactly as it is written.

Yes, we have to account for the forgeries and purposeful manipulations of the translations.

Yes, we have to acknowledge the human desires for money and control at all costs.

Yes, we have to acknowledge that people hear distortions at young age and aren't equipped to deal with them at the later life. Besides, they are made afraid of considering the Word of God. All they have to do is listen to their pastor's "explanations".

posthuman · Jan 23, 2020

He who comes from above is above all;
he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth.
(John 3:31)

No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven,

that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
(John 3:13)

→ Jesus is above all and is the only entity to have descended and ascended from heaven

Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?

Who has gathered the wind in His fists?

Who has bound the waters in a garment?

Who has established all the ends of the earth?
(Proverbs 30:4)

→ the same who has descended and ascended is He who established all the ends of the earth

This is what the LORD says, He who made the earth, the LORD who formed it and established it — the LORD is His name:
‘Call to Me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know!'

(Jeremiah 33:2-3)

→ the same is He speaks unsearchable things you do not know, He is the LORD
→ Jesus Christ is the LORD, the I AM

No man ever spoke like this Man!
(John 7:46)

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

Let me ask this:

Please pick up any verse from post 1091 and provide Biblical proof that it is a lie or at least provide Biblical based reason why we should reject it.

God can't contradict Himself, can He?

Therefore, certain verses must contain the Truth while some must contain lies or manipulations to enable "assumptions".

The ball is in your court now.

posthuman · Jan 23, 2020

Jerzy said:

start your own thread.
this one is not for the unbelieving to sidetrack.
i'm not going to reply to you in here anymore.

posthuman · Jan 23, 2020

if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins
(John 8:24)

fairly important

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM!”

Then they took up stones to throw at Him

(John 8:58-59)

even the pharisees knew exactly what He claims of Himself, therefore they tried to kill Him for making Himself equal with YHWH
He didn't stutter.
denying that Christ is God is accusing Christ of blasphemy.

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

posthuman said:

There is a lot of "assumptions" in your post.

Ledt's consider John 3:13+ 31. Does it state that Jesus is God? Nop.

We find answer to Proverbs 30:4 and to Jeremiah 33:2-3 in Ps 33:6-9.

Thanks for bringing this up "the same is He speaks unsearchable things you do not know, He is the LORD".

Now, show where the LORD of the OT = Jesus Christ is the LORD, the I AM

Again "No man ever spoke like this Man! (John 7:46)". Please compare with Jn 12:47-50.

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

posthuman said:

Well, I am pointing and quoting from the Word of God, am I not posthuman?

Yet some people fail to believe God and reject His clear and fool-proof texts. Instead they keep pointing to manipulated renderings of the original texts or mere falsifications from most of which "assumptions" are derived.

posthuman · Jan 23, 2020

By the word of the LORD the heavens were made,

And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
(Psalm 33:6)

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
(Colossians 3:16-17)

Q.E.D.
Jesus Christ is the LORD God Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in them.

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

posthuman said:

Hold your horses, will you posthuman?

Didn't the Jews reject Jesus as their Messiah?

Didn't Jesus reply to their chargers in Jn 10:32-38

posthuman · Jan 23, 2020

Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:

“Fear not, daughter of Zion;
Behold, your King is coming,
Sitting on a donkey’s colt.”

His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him.

(John 12:14-16)

Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation, lowly and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.
(Zechariah 9:9)

Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God.
(Isaiah 44:6)

I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
(Revelation 22:13)

Jesus is the King and Redeemer of Israel, the First and the Last
the LORD of Hosts is the King and Redeemer of Israel, the First and the Last, and there is no other
QED
Jesus is the LORD of Hosts, the King and the Salvation of Israel, the First and the Last

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

posthuman said:

Firstly, we are told that God has no beginning no end yet God says that He has begotten Jesus at "this day".

Secondly, no prophet stated that Jesus was God or even that he was going to be God at the later stage.

Thirdly, please look up the original words used in Colossians 3:16-17 and their original meanings (not post creation of the Trinity God theology).

Forthly, if "Jesus Christ is the LORD God Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in them" as you claim that why the those attributes are credited to the Father the only true God?

Perhaps you "assume" again.

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

Sorry, I must go now.

God bless

posthuman · Jan 23, 2020

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy
(James 4:12)

A new commandment I give to you
(John 13:34)

This is My commandment
(John 15:12)

One Lawgiver

posthuman · Jan 23, 2020

though you do not believe Me, believe the works,
that you may know and believe that the Father in Me, and I in Him
(John 10:38)

the Father is in Him

The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain You!
(1 Kings 8:27)

He is greater than the sum total of all creation -- nothing contains infinity but infinity, and nothing created is greater than creation. only that which is uncreated, eternal, the Alpha and Omega

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

posthuman said:

Doesn't Jesus say that he receives all from the Father what he says? Consider Jn 12:47-50.

So who is the law giver? The one who gives the law or the one who conveys it?

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

posthuman said:

Aren't we told that God has no beginning, no end yet didn't God begat Jesus "this day"?

You are not building on the foundation, posthuman.

So you "assume" again.

By the way, I try to respond to every post.

Would you mind responding to my post 1103?

Jerzy · Jan 23, 2020

Many people don't notice that God speaks about future occurrences as if they already have taken place.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Rev 13:8 the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

Unfortunately this confuses many people and gives reason for "assumptions".

Therefore, a shallow Bible knowledge supported by miss-translations, forgery and assumptions leads to believe in different theologies "created" by thousands of denominations.

Melach · Jan 23, 2020

Jerzy said:

are you a unitarian? and Jesus the man was tested yes. Jesus is both God in the flesh and man. son of God, son of man. very easy just sounds complicated.

Melach · Jan 23, 2020

Jerzy said:

every great man of God believed in the trinity so we are in good company. but if you believe Jesus is just a regular man. why is He called Lord why is all creation bowing down to Him in revelation? sounds like idolatry to bow to a regular man.

if Jesus was a regular man i would never say Jesus help me. thats useless, i can just go ask my neighbor who is also a regular guy. but because Jesus is the son of God, son of man, the Alpha and Omega the creator thats why i can say Jesus help me and its worth something.

garee · Jan 23, 2020

Jerzy said:

There are only two kinds of unseen messengers as angels . Spirits as sons of God that bring the gospel truth to help strengthen the believer. Like that the father sent to the Son of man, Jesus .

Luke 22:43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Or those who left their first place of habitation and turn those truths upside down.

God also sends human messenger as sons of God (angels) that bring the gospel truth. Jesus when he was here as the Chief messenger and our High Priest and lead apostle .Therefore answering the query in Hebrew 1. Which angel is like God. . not is God? God has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

The answer "no man". .God is not a man as us. Jesus as a messenger is called Michael the ark angel . The name again applying as Michael. "Who is like God?" No man

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

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