Jonah Died and went to Hell

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SUNDOWNSAM said:
You have a diabolic teaching because no where does it say he enter a place of torment. As for hell, this is talk about Sheol, like when David said, if I make my bed in sheol he will be their. Was David in a place of torment?

YU are pulling verses our of context to fit your distorted view, give me a passage of the Scriptures that says he entered the place of torment. If you cannot, do not bother responding.
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Hell means hell. There is hell, and at the time there was Abraham's bosom. Hell is a place of torment. But the Lord was not in torment. What did the Lord do with our sins? Did they magically disappear?

No verses pulled out of context. I take the word for what it says. You can say "diabolical" if you want, but there's nothing diabolical about what the Bible says.
 
Yeshua took the curse of the law to the cross and our sins on the cross, becoming the sin sacrifice and on the cross he said it is finished, once and for all the Scriptures says.


Was David referring to a place of torment when he said if he makes his bed in hell God will be there? To my recollection, throughout scriptures when it mentions hell it is talking about the grave, not a place of torment.
 
SUNDOWNSAM said:
Yeshua took the curse of the law to the cross and our sins on the cross, becoming the sin sacrifice and on the cross he said it is finished, once and for all the Scriptures says.


Was David referring to a place of torment when he said if he makes his bed in hell God will be there? To my recollection, throughout scriptures when it mentions hell it is talking about the grave, not a place of torment.
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Absolutely! You can't escape God even in hell. Hell is never a description of anything man can face on earth. Ever. You down play hell for what it is when you do this. Hell has cooled off in the new versions.
 
John146 said:
Is it such a difficult question? You should be able to give a basic answer from Scripture since you condemn the answer I and Chris1975 have provided.

Where was Christ those three days and three nights?
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Fulfilling the promise of the work of the Father and Son working together in perfect harmony and mutual submission.as eternal God. (Isaiah 53)

The three day mutual work began in the garden of gethsemane as the Son of man, Jesus working with the father in order to bring the peace of God surpassing our understanding. .

Jesus as the Son of man is shown suffering the pangs of hell called unto death (not dead never to rise) as the father poured out his wrath on him who alone could bear it .

Jesus as the Son of man therefore not having the strength to finish cries out suffering the pangs of Hell and was strengthened by the father all three times to finish that part of the demonstration. Called the heart of the earth or belly of the whale as living suffering as a sacrifice. (no dead sacrifices) The literal blood must be poured out so it can return to the clay of field . . Then another demonstration using the cross the second time. The last part of the three part demonstration he was placed in a tomb
 
SUNDOWNSAM said:
Yeshua took the curse of the law to the cross and our sins on the cross, becoming the sin sacrifice and on the cross he said it is finished, once and for all the Scriptures says.


Was David referring to a place of torment when he said if he makes his bed in hell God will be there? To my recollection, throughout scriptures when it mentions hell it is talking about the grave, not a place of torment.
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The grave (no oxygen) is not a place of torment. Its a living torment mankind suffers the wage of sin. Those who have the power of Christ in their earthen bodies of death do receive a rest as Christ works in us with us to both will and perform his good pleasure.

But those without like Cain it is a punishment more that was humans were designed to bear .Again as those with Christ our sabbath rest.The suffering is lessened .His burden is light making ours easier

He is talking about the wrath of God being revealed from heaven "death" according to the "letter of the law". .Corrupted mankind suffering the payment of sin living in a dying body of death. . Suffering does not go beyond what the eyes see. Corruption the rudiments of this world .
 
John146 said:
Absolutely! You can't escape God even in hell. Hell is never a description of anything man can face on earth. Ever. You down play hell for what it is when you do this. Hell has cooled off in the new versions.
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First, you are not making sense! Secondly, the only version I stick to is the KJV and go to the original language when discussing a topic.
As stated, your view is diabolical.
 
garee said:
The grave (no oxygen) is not a place of torment. Its a living torment mankind suffers the wage of sin. Those who have the power of Christ in their earthen bodies of death do receive a rest as Christ works in us with us to both will and perform his good pleasure.

But those without like Cain it is a punishment more that was humans were designed to bear .Again as those with Christ our sabbath rest.The suffering is lessened .His burden is light making ours easier

He is talking about the wrath of God being revealed from heaven "death" according to the "letter of the law". .Corrupted mankind suffering the payment of sin living in a dying body of death. . Suffering does not go beyond what the eyes see. Corruption the rudiments of this world .
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I am not saying that hell is a place of torment, I am responding to the person who is stated that, so you need to them.
 
SUNDOWNSAM said:
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First, you are not making sense! Secondly, the only version I stick to is the KJV and go to the original language when discussing a topic.
As stated, your view is diabolical.
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We don't have the word in the original language. You're against the KJV because it doesn't line up with your theology. You should change your theology to line up with Scripture.
 
John146 said:
Absolutely! You can't escape God even in hell. Hell is never a description of anything man can face on earth. Ever. You down play hell for what it is when you do this. Hell has cooled off in the new versions.
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Don't you ever get tired of your tirade against modern translations? It's baseless, hypocritical, and silly.

At least have the integrity to back up your assertions with real evidence.
 
Dino246 said:
Don't you ever get tired of your tirade against modern translations? It's baseless, hypocritical, and silly.

At least have the integrity to back up your assertions with real evidence.
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I never get tired of defending the KJV. Ever. You know what's silly? People who refer to the originals, or the original language.
 
John146 said:
I never get tired of defending the KJV. Ever. You know what's silly? People who refer to the originals, or the original language.
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I've seen some dumb statements on this site, but that one takes the cake this week!

Attacking other translations is not defending the KJV. Get some integrity.
 
Dino246 said:
I've seen some dumb statements on this site, but that one takes the cake this week!

Attacking other translations is not defending the KJV. Get some integrity.
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In order to stand for truth, you must stand against error.
 
Dino246 said:
Go fight abortion instead. At least you'll be doing some eternal good.
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I do. I promote the "with child" movement. The KJV states clearly that it's a child in the womb. The new versions uses the word pregnant. A woman is not merely pregnant, she is with child. The Lord wants people to know it's a child.
 
John146 said:
I never get tired of defending the KJV. Ever. You know what's silly? People who refer to the originals, or the original language.
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i agree on the originals thing. they say i believe the originals were inspired. but then turn around and say we dont have the originals. so basically we dont have the word for 100%
 
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John146 said:
I do. I promote the "with child" movement. The KJV states clearly that it's a child in the womb. The new versions uses the word pregnant. A woman is not merely pregnant, she is with child. The Lord wants people to know it's a child.
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The Greek simply doesn't say "with child"; the word for "child" doesn't appear in those passages. The KJV uses a 16th century idiom for "pregnant".
 
Dino246 said:
The Greek simply doesn't say "with child"; the word for "child" doesn't appear in those passages. The KJV uses a 16th century idiom for "pregnant".
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You have your right to say pregnant. A woman terminated her pregnancy is a whole lot more politically correct than saying the woman terminated her child. I’m sticking to “with child.”
 
John146,
re: "In order to stand for truth, you must stand against error."

The trick, of course, is figuring out what is truth and what is error.
 
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John146,
re: "Acts 2:31 - 'He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.'"

So apparently His soul was at some point in hell. But where was His spirit?

1 Peter 3:19 -"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" So assuming this is referring to the time between the Messiah's death and His resurrection, where was the Messiah's spirit? If His body was dead, then Ecclesiastes 12:7 seems to indicate that one's spirit returns to God who gave it. But 1 Peter says that the persons' spirits were in prison.
 
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