Is the Gospel a job offer? Or good news aimed at those who believe?
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Are you still using Romans 2:6-7 to create misunderstanding and confusion and peddle salvation by works? As I already explained to you numerous times, if one reads these passages of scripture in isolation from the rest of the book of Romans, then one might conclude that Paul was teaching salvation by works. However, as we study these passages of scripture, it's critical to keep in mind that these verses do not describe how one becomes saved, but the way the saved (and unsaved) conduct their lives. These works done are the result of, not the means or basis of receiving salvation.
So patient continuance in well doing, seeking for glory, honor, and immortality; (vs. 7) is not at all set forth as the means of their procuring eternal life, but as a description of those to whom God does render life eternal. *Notice that ALL who receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does good (vs. 10). Good deeds flow from a heart that is saved and evil deeds flow from a heart that is unsaved. Verse 8 - but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath. *Notice that ALL who do not receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does evil (vs. 9).
What those passages convey is though our deeds are judged by God, it's not the good deeds themselves which are the basis or means by which we obtain salvation, but the type of deeds expose whether our heart was saved, or not. These deeds done out of faith are the fruit, not the root of salvation. If Paul wanted to teach that we are saved by works, then he would have said that we are saved through faith and works in Ephesians 2:8,9 and that we are justified by faith and works in Romans 5:1 but that is clearly NOT what Paul said.
Now try harmonizing Romans 2:6-10 with Romans 4:4-6: Verse 4 - Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
*Does that sound like receiving eternal life is like receiving a pay check for wages due to you? Why do you think eternal life is referred to as a gift in Romans 6:23?
So patient continuance in well doing, seeking for glory, honor, and immortality; (vs. 7) is not at all set forth as the means of their procuring eternal life, but as a description of those to whom God does render life eternal. *Notice that ALL who receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does good (vs. 10). Good deeds flow from a heart that is saved and evil deeds flow from a heart that is unsaved. Verse 8 - but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath. *Notice that ALL who do not receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does evil (vs. 9).
What those passages convey is though our deeds are judged by God, it's not the good deeds themselves which are the basis or means by which we obtain salvation, but the type of deeds expose whether our heart was saved, or not. These deeds done out of faith are the fruit, not the root of salvation. If Paul wanted to teach that we are saved by works, then he would have said that we are saved through faith and works in Ephesians 2:8,9 and that we are justified by faith and works in Romans 5:1 but that is clearly NOT what Paul said.
Now try harmonizing Romans 2:6-10 with Romans 4:4-6: Verse 4 - Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
*Does that sound like receiving eternal life is like receiving a pay check for wages due to you? Why do you think eternal life is referred to as a gift in Romans 6:23?
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Imagine reading the Romans or the whole bible and then coming across this:
"God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life".
I say, you were wrong then and are still wrong. You misunderstood Romans and other scriptures. Romans 2:7 says what it says and is direct, you can not say because this is said in these other part, then Romans 2:7 must mean this and that- no it doesn't, it simply means what it says.
"God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life".
I say, you were wrong then and are still wrong. You misunderstood Romans and other scriptures. Romans 2:7 says what it says and is direct, you can not say because this is said in these other part, then Romans 2:7 must mean this and that- no it doesn't, it simply means what it says.
So what did God mean by He will repay each person according to what they have done? He certainly did not mean salvation by works (which would be in contradiction with other passages of scripture in the book of Romans (Romans 3:22-28; 4:2-6; 5:1) and with numerous other passages of scripture throughout the New Testament (Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..) and I have thoroughly explained what is meant in Romans 2:6-10 to you numerous times, but you refuse to listen, you fail to properly harmonize scripture with scripture in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine and you remain wrong.
*This is what happens when you fail to properly interpret scripture IN CONTEXT and also when you fail to properly HARMONIZE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE.
*This is what happens when you fail to properly interpret scripture IN CONTEXT and also when you fail to properly HARMONIZE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE.
Its more of a Job opportunity being yoked with Christ. His work of faith or labor of love that works in us makes the burden lighter when we do "mix faith" in what we see and hear. . .according to the prescription below ..
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
No mixing of faith. = No gospel .
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.Hebrews 4: 2
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
No mixing of faith. = No gospel .
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.Hebrews 4: 2
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you are not modeling what you post on Jesus and His disciples
you really do not post anything substantive...just one liners and cherry picked verses taken out of context
what a joke and very misleading to those who are not familiar with scripture for one reason or another
if you are kicking anything, it is the proverbial can down the road
you really do not post anything substantive...just one liners and cherry picked verses taken out of context
what a joke
and very misleading to those who are not familiar with scripture for one reason or anotherif you are kicking anything, it is the proverbial can down the road
you are not modeling what you post on Jesus and His disciples
you really do not post anything substantive...just one liners and cherry picked verses taken out of context
what a joke and very misleading to those who are not familiar with scripture for one reason or another
if you are kicking anything, it is the proverbial can down the road
you really do not post anything substantive...just one liners and cherry picked verses taken out of context
what a joke
and very misleading to those who are not familiar with scripture for one reason or anotherif you are kicking anything, it is the proverbial can down the road
So what did God mean by He will repay each person according to what they have done? He certainly did not mean salvation by works (which would be in contradiction with other passages of scripture in the book of Romans (Romans 3:22-28; 4:2-6; 5:1) and with numerous other passages of scripture throughout the New Testament (Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..) and I have thoroughly explained what is meant in Romans 2:6-10 to you numerous times, but you refuse to listen, you fail to properly harmonize scripture with scripture in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine and you remain wrong.
*This is what happens when you fail to properly interpret scripture IN CONTEXT and also when you fail to properly HARMONIZE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE.
*This is what happens when you fail to properly interpret scripture IN CONTEXT and also when you fail to properly HARMONIZE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE.
Rev 22:12“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
There's no contradiction with any other verses, it only contradicts your doctrine.
How does it contradict my doctrine? Either you believe those passages of scripture promote salvation by works or else you do not. I believe they do not. Revelation 22:12 says my reward is with me according to their work, which fits with 1 Corinthians 3:13-15. You claim you don’t believe those verses teach salvation by works, yet you keep telling me I’m wrong. So what’s the problem? You can’t have it both ways.
Non of those verses teaches salvation by works and i don't believe salvation is by works either - yet God will repay each person according to what they have done; those who do good He will give eternal life.
You are wrong because salvation is not what you think other verses are saying, that's why you don't get it.
Q. Are one year old saved? God forbid but if a one year old child dies, do they go heaven saved or are they condemned to hell? If they make it to heaven, what works or what belief will they need to do or believe in?
Now, if you answer these questions, you'll find out what salvation is. hopefully.
You are wrong because salvation is not what you think other verses are saying, that's why you don't get it.
Q. Are one year old saved? God forbid but if a one year old child dies, do they go heaven saved or are they condemned to hell? If they make it to heaven, what works or what belief will they need to do or believe in?
Now, if you answer these questions, you'll find out what salvation is. hopefully.
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