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OneOfHis said:
If we go back to original statements I said it depends, my answer without your added assumptions before you started trying to put me in a box said "without more information, then either could in theory be possible"

"Yes to both" is not the same in my opinion



you kept looking to works of men

and periods of time to try and paint a picture


what i said was more like "your picture is fuzzy... and your paint is a low quality and strange color..... but i guess that could be a dog or a cat"


then you say

"so your answer is yes to both... it looks like a dog and a cat"
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So which is not a possibility?
 
Discern said:
Where did you say that?
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It was a question. I did not say that.

You specifically agreed with the "top" of my post. The next part said if you are God's child (born again) it is impossible you aren't saved.

So I asked without imputing a belief to you as you have done to others.
 
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oyster67 said:
Amazing! Incredible corn.

I just had an Epiphany; OSAS is a really, really big RCC Indulgence instituted by Pope Calvin.
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Not even REMOTELY CLOSE! We are as far from RCC as you can GET.

Get your INFO from us, about OUR beliefs. But stop telling falsehoods.
 
VCO said:
Not even REMOTELY CLOSE! We are as far from RCC as you can GET.

Get your INFO from us, about OUR beliefs. But stop telling falsehoods.
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Yes. Security is not close to RCC. It is a biblical doctrine and a reformation doctrine that parts with Rome
 
Discern said:
So which is not a possibility?
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In your imagination anything is possible, who knows the context other than you.

You made a limited hypothetical where I point to God starting in someone being the factor which would separate what is and is not possible.


Then I point to examples of what happens in God's children who sin opposed to unbelievers to futher what can be evidence to oneself.

You admit all men sin.

Then say sin comes from the heart as if that would stand against my point that after God works in us, though every man sins, which sort of man is sinning FEELS differently about sin.

This is so fruitless, your stories and boxes and arguments fall short of helpful to anyone who knows God or seeks truth.

You may desire to "stir thought" but I have mainly seen confusion and miss application of what others are saying from you.

You haven't even owned up to the specifically saying "its not a yes or no" then imputing yes or no to answers.... also asking "is that a yes or no" to responses despite others saying "it's not yes or no"


all while referring to the original question...
 
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OneOfHis said:
It was a question. I did not say that.

You specifically agreed with the "top" of my post. The next part said if you are God's child (born again) it is impossible you aren't saved.

So I asked without imputing a belief to you as you have done to others.
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If I agree that if you are born again it is impossible that you are not saved, how would I agree with the abortion of words you just typed.
 
OneOfHis said:
In your imagination anything is possible, who knows the context other than you.

You made a limited hypothetical where I point to God starting in someone being the factor which would separate what is and is not possible.


Then I point to examples of what happens in God's children who sin opposed to unbelievers to futher what can be evidence to oneself.

You admit all men sin.

Then say sin comes from the heart as if that would stand against my point that after God works in us, though every man sins, which sort of man is sinning FEELS differently about sin.

This is so fruitless, your stories and boxes and arguments fall short of helpful to anyone who knows God or seeks truth.

You may desire to "stir thought" but I have mainly seen confusion and miss application of what others are saying from you.

You haven't even owned up to the specifically saying "its not a yes or no" then imputing yes or no to answers.... also asking "is that a yes or no" to responses despite others saying "it's not yes or no"


all while referring to the original question...
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You added caveats. The question needed no caveats. The Bible teaches that not all who profess are saved and it teaches that those who are saved are kept. Easy. Simple. No caveats needed

Btw your first statement is wholly inaccurate.
 
Discern said:
Did the rich young ruler have something that was keeping him out of the kingdom? Yes or no

Did love of money prevent him from entering the kingdom? You don’t think he was saved, do you?
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No that is a legitimate question. And YES he loved his money more than LORD. The Lord knew exactly where his problem was, he had made an Idol out of his MONEY.
 
Discern said:
You added caveats. The question needed no caveats. The Bible teaches that not all who profess are saved and it teaches that those who are saved are kept. Easy. Simple. No caveats needed
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Yeah, you made up your own story not found in the bible which was an example formed unlike any in scripture not being God breathed. It does need context regardless of how you feel about it.
 
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OneOfHis said:
Yeah, you made up your own story not found in the bible which was an example formed unlike any in scripture not being God breathed. It does need context regardless of how you feel about it.
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So no Professing Christian ever leaves his wife? I know of several very high profile “professers” who have.

I am not judging them. I wanted to know your various positions on this. I also preguessed that people would respond the way people are.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
In your senerio

The man struggled with sex

one sin
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He struggled with it? So he desires to stop? So he hates it, he counts it an enemy? Then it is a besetting sin.

So second option is possible, just like I said it was!

I later added that If I could do continue on that path blithely, I have no grounds to assume I’m saved
 
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