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Melach said:
i can and will. what we mean by morally upright is that they are in our perspective "ok" regular people. like they arent evil as can be.

take example some single guy in his 40s who works as a car mechanic. he goes to work, goes to the store, goes home is on computer watches maybe tv or has coffee with friends after work.
take example some family guy in his 40s who does same things plus family stuff

so yes these people are morally upright people they dont steal they dont do anything crazy against the law like that. thats what i call morally upright. that doesnt mean they are saved many unsaved people behave amazingly good like buddhists and mormons etc.
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Right and wrong is not subjectively determined by us. And morals have to do with right and wrong.
 
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Melach said:
yes what about it? i agree with the verse but im horrified by it at the same time. ive seen that verse here before and i read it and was shocked that God would just give wives to someone like that. doesnt the wife get a vote? :D God is God wife opinion not important
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God is not accountable to us for what he does.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You seem to have an issue defining A non believer living in all manner of sin (lifestyle) and a believer who has a besetting sin
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what does besetting sin mean? like they are feeling bad about it and struggling to quit addiction or something like that? thats what it sound to me
 
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Discern said:
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You said both propositions were possible. Therefore you said yes to both. But as originally framed, it was not a yes or no question. Was it?
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Btw, I simply repeated your answer and your basis for the way you answered Was I not accurate?
 
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Melach said:
what does besetting sin mean? like they are feeling bad about it and struggling to quit addiction or something like that? thats what it sound to me
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Something hinders running. Obstacles and things that trip us up.
 
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Discern said:
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You said both propositions were possible. Therefore you said yes to both. But as originally framed, it was not a yes or no question. Was it?
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If we go back to original statements I said it depends, my answer without your added assumptions before you started trying to put me in a box said "without more information, then either could in theory be possible"

"Yes to both" is not the same in my opinion



you kept looking to works of men

and periods of time to try and paint a picture


what i said was more like "your picture is fuzzy... and your paint is a low quality and strange color..... but i guess that could be a dog or a cat"


then you say

"so your answer is yes to both... it looks like a dog and a cat"
 
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EleventhHour said:
I am done with you sir for now because life calls but I an intuitive person and you keep adding credence to my suspicions of who you are.
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i can tell you im not mr. macaroni thats guarantee. im still betting discern could be similar style atleast.

you have to make sin the big issue
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i think bible makes it big too new testament talks about it all the time in every epistle or letter is warnings about sin.
 
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OneOfHis said:
I disagree, I personally didn't like you pretending to ask a question.... saying it is not a yes or no question... before asking "simple yes or no".. me then explaining why it is not a yes or no question as well as giving an honest answer.... you then choosing wether my answer was yes or no... followed by you saying "it was not a yes or no question"...



If you look to the last post where I addressed the tactics of the dishonest. You DEFINITELY show more than one of them.
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Someone with an agenda.:unsure:
 
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OneOfHis said:
If we go back to original statements I said it depends, my answer without your added assumptions before you started trying to put me in a box said "without more information, then either could in theory be possible"

"Yes to both" is not the same in my opinion



you kept looking to works of men

and periods of time to try and paint a picture


what i said was more like "your picture is fuzzy... and your paint is a low quality and strange color..... but i guess that could be a dog or a cat"


then you say

"so your answer is yes to both... it looks like a dog and a cat"
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It is possible that if I am doing as described, that I am not saved

Yet it is possible that I am saved, and secure

Both.

Simple as abc😀

That is generally the position of osas.
 
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Melach said:
i can tell you im not mr. macaroni thats guarantee.

i think bible makes it big too new testament talks about it all the time in every epistle or letter is warnings about sin.
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I am glad you are not Macaroni...funny you mention him.

Yes of course sin is in all of scripture for a reason... I am thinking I do not agree with @Discern reason though.
 
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Discern said:
It is possible that if I am doing as described, that I am not saved

Yet it is possible that I am saved, and secure

Both.

Simple as abc😀

That is generally the position of osas.
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If you weren't born again it is impossible you are saved.



If you were born again it is impossible you aren't saved.



Man can know He is saved despite the fact...vvvvv



Discern said:
Every man sins.
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Your efforts here in a thread meant to give glory to God for salvation are questionable.🤔
 
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Melach said:
what does besetting sin mean? like they are feeling bad about it and struggling to quit addiction or something like that? thats what it sound to me
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A besetting sin is a particular sin a believer really struggles with
it could be anger, pride, lust, lieing, drugs/alcohol, sexual sin, it could even just be not being active in the body or doing what you know you need to do

It could be related to any possible sin you can think of
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
A besetting sin is a particular sin a believer really struggles with
it could be anger, pride, lust, lieing, drugs/alcohol, sexual sin, it could even just be not being active in the body or doing what you know you need to do

It could be related to any possible sin you can think of
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Yes. A sin that we STRUGGLE with.
 
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OneOfHis said:
If you weren't born again it is impossible you are saved.



If you were born again it is impossible you aren't saved.



Man can know He is saved despite the fact...vvvvv






Your efforts here in a thread meant to give glory to God for salvation are questionable.🤔
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God gets all the glory for raising us to spiritual life and not leaving us in death

I had nothing to do with being raised to spiritual life. Nothing at all.
 
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OneOfHis said:
If you weren't born again it is impossible you are saved.



If you were born again it is impossible you aren't saved.



Man can know He is saved despite the fact...vvvvv






Your efforts here in a thread meant to give glory to God for salvation are questionable.🤔
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I Agree with the top part.
 
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