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Luke 9
9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and [in his] Father's, and of the holy angels.
Looking to your walk to justify you, is not taking up your cross or following Jesus.
Nor do these verses suggest in any way that a son of God will burn in hell. Or that any man can pluck a son of God from His hand.
Do you even know that the I know you not, is a synonym for Not Born Again ? ? ?
That Parable is all about the Calling Out of the Bride, (Rapture). Apparently half of the Church Goers, will not make it because they never were Born Again. The Light in US is the HOLY SPIRIT.
Here is the same non-Born Again Church Goers:
Matthew 7:20-23 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
John 3:3 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
Romans 3:24, KJV
Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Hebrews 10:39
“But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
Romans 3:24, KJV
Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Hebrews 10:39
“But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
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EleventhHour
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You must have seen the warnings from scripture I have posted about backsliding, just to have them dismissed out of hand.
Jesus died for us so that we might have the opportunity to live for Him for the rest of our days. Keep abiding in that vine, my beloved sister. Godspeed.
Nope just went back to the page I quoted you from.... I have noticed long ago how far you are from the truth of the gospel and often don't take the time to read your posts. When I do they are powerless and feel empty and void of love, while at the same time promote a false religion of man which belittles Jesus and His promises and ignores most of scripture to paint a strange picture of a god that doesn't exist who justifies based on mans walk opposed to the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.
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EleventhHour
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What is did Jesus mean.... what is He telling His listeners?
If you are not reading this from the proper perspective you will think suffering and dying on a cross like Jesus is how we are saved. Or like some people argue this is the path to sanctification...it isn't.
I see you as a brother.
I don't know if you remember but I've stood up for you in the past.
I think those who feel they can still be cast into hell but still give Jesus all the glory for keeping them saved and saving them in the first place misunderstand what comes with a saving faith.
Though come judgement when you stand before God I highly... highly doubt you would say "i DESERVE your mercy BECAUSE i believe".... (or because your "many wonderful works in His name")
no....
we would say "Only by your mercy I have any hope my Lord...."
But I know that God will not lose one of His, and we are kept by His power... not our walk
We can't unknow Him
We hear His voice
We are new
We follow
Luke 14
14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have [sufficient] to finish [it]?
14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish [it], all that behold [it] begin to mock him,
14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
14:34 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; [but] men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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EleventhHour
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@oyster67
I am going to have to be blunt and state ...No
The gospel is being persuaded that we can never meet God's righteous standard, ever, but Jesus under the law fulfilled all the requirements of the law and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice and paid the sin debt.... we believe/trust in Him and His work as being wholly sufficient to save us....thus we are given the gift of salvation.
I am going to have to be blunt and state ...No
The gospel is being persuaded that we can never meet God's righteous standard, ever, but Jesus under the law fulfilled all the requirements of the law and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice and paid the sin debt.... we believe/trust in Him and His work as being wholly sufficient to save us....thus we are given the gift of salvation.
You don't find it rude if someone asks you what you specifically believe a verse to mean, to answer them with more verses with no personal explination?
I am not offended but I certainly expect you to answer the question of eleventh....
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EleventhHour
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I am beginning to think the majority who come and argue on this thread have never heard the Gospel....it explains a lot.... as well makes me wonder what is going on in Churchianity?
I come here, not to speak of myself, but of my Lord and Savior. Do not follow me, follow Him. Follow Him all the days of your life. I am sorry if my posting of Scripture offends you. Very sorry indeed.
I think many have heard many things, and will usually just stick with what rings true to them.
The way that seems right to man (work and recieve) is different than God's free mercy which we don't deserve.....
People then confuse elements of what's true with what their natural bias sees as correct.
If we truly look without bias and ask God sincerely for truth, we learn it in His perfect time....
All you can I can do is share the truth and look to God to lead us while we never forget how much we need HIM and how we ought to always be thankful and not place ourselves above others.... knowing without Him we aren't better than anyone.....
That's dishonest...
I was not offended.
A child of God asked you what you believe a verse to mean, and you didn't answer her...
Then I pointed that out to you.... and you said the opposite of what I said in a strange twist of my words...
I expected more of you, feel free to not respond to me anymore if you aren't going to be genuine.
Dishonest again, I have no desire to hear anything more from you unless it is the truth.
I understand every verse you posted just fine and never claimed anything different.