Torah Observant Christians.
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What about believers who are not legalists and who seek to be obedient to the Lord by obeying the commands in the law? Any law, even 'love your neighbor as yourself'.
If a person is bound by conscience to obey God's old covenant commands for worship (for reasons other than for justification), Paul says they are to obey their conscience or else they are sinning. And we're not to cause them to stumble by causing them to sin against their conscience.
If a person is bound by conscience to obey God's old covenant commands for worship (for reasons other than for justification), Paul says they are to obey their conscience or else they are sinning. And we're not to cause them to stumble by causing them to sin against their conscience.
There is no such thing as someone who is not a legalist that attempts to work at the law.
Working at the law is working at the law.
Yes. But if they start to think that it is because of those things that they are saved then the Truth of Christianity must be shown to them.
Or if they begin to think that all Christians must be placed under the same things that bind their own conscience then the Truth of Christianity must be shown to them.
In other words, if they go quietly along doing the things they think are required, God will slowly correct them in time.
But if they attempt to teach others their error then there is a responsibility of the stronger brother to show them why they are in error.
Working at the law is working at the law.
Yes. But if they start to think that it is because of those things that they are saved then the Truth of Christianity must be shown to them.
Or if they begin to think that all Christians must be placed under the same things that bind their own conscience then the Truth of Christianity must be shown to them.
In other words, if they go quietly along doing the things they think are required, God will slowly correct them in time.
But if they attempt to teach others their error then there is a responsibility of the stronger brother to show them why they are in error.
You and I know that.
We who have this knowledge are to respect the person who does not.
And every Torah observant believer knows this.
It's not about legalistic perfection to them. Really.
They know quite well it's impossible to keep the letter of the law.
And they know quite well that keeping Feasts does not make them perfect.
Only God's forgiveness can make them perfect in God's sight.
They know this.
The issue for them is the same as it is for us: Now that they have been forgiven in Christ they seek to live for Him. But conscience tells them that includes keeping the Feasts, Sabbaths, etc.
We who have this knowledge are to respect the person who does not.
And every Torah observant believer knows this.
It's not about legalistic perfection to them. Really.
They know quite well it's impossible to keep the letter of the law.
And they know quite well that keeping Feasts does not make them perfect.
Only God's forgiveness can make them perfect in God's sight.
They know this.
The issue for them is the same as it is for us: Now that they have been forgiven in Christ they seek to live for Him. But conscience tells them that includes keeping the Feasts, Sabbaths, etc.
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We do already , don't we? The Torah is in three parts. The five books of Moses, which we consider as the old testament. So we do follow Torah in that sense because we read the old testament. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1426382/jewish/Torah.htm
Unfortunately, there are those Christians that imagine anything Jewish doesn't pertain to them. They're eternally wrong but shall never be led aright.
Also, there are those who are Messianic Jews, which in simple terms are what your thread title is about. Christians that follow Torah and certain Jewish traditions, as Jews who recognize Messiah prophecy did arrive in Emmanuel/Jesus.
They unfortunately are criticized quite a bit by other Christians as well.
Amazing isn't it? How the Prince of Peace left us His Good News, and ever since those who claim to believe and follow it have been at each others throats as to who has it right in the faith and practice thereof.
We're God's gag reel.
Unfortunately, there are those Christians that imagine anything Jewish doesn't pertain to them. They're eternally wrong but shall never be led aright.
Also, there are those who are Messianic Jews, which in simple terms are what your thread title is about. Christians that follow Torah and certain Jewish traditions, as Jews who recognize Messiah prophecy did arrive in Emmanuel/Jesus.
They unfortunately are criticized quite a bit by other Christians as well.
Amazing isn't it? How the Prince of Peace left us His Good News, and ever since those who claim to believe and follow it have been at each others throats as to who has it right in the faith and practice thereof.
We're God's gag reel.
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Paul wasn't a legalist. He became LIKE a jew in order to preach Christianity to jews.
He didn't do it for his own benefit or because his church told him to.
I think it is a UNIQUE position that only a Jew who has come to Christ can truly understand and truly emulate. By Jew I mean someone practicing the Jewish religion.
He didn't do it for his own benefit or because his church told him to.
I think it is a UNIQUE position that only a Jew who has come to Christ can truly understand and truly emulate. By Jew I mean someone practicing the Jewish religion.
Apples and oranges.
What happens when Jewish Apostles tells us that the law no longer is in effect with us?
Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? (Act 15:10)
Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (Rom 7:4-6)
For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. (Gal 2:19)
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (Gal 2:21)
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” (Gal 3:10)
etc and 2etc.
If you are referring to the moral law, then we can go back to Adam. Was Adam Jewish? That moral law has been written afresh on our hearts.
What happens when Jewish Apostles tells us that the law no longer is in effect with us?
Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? (Act 15:10)
Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (Rom 7:4-6)
For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. (Gal 2:19)
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (Gal 2:21)
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” (Gal 3:10)
etc and 2etc.
If you are referring to the moral law, then we can go back to Adam. Was Adam Jewish? That moral law has been written afresh on our hearts.
Not if this is true...
Philippians 2:13 (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Hebrews 13:20-21 (KJV) Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Philippians 2:13 (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Hebrews 13:20-21 (KJV) Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.