Apostasy 101
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This sounds like amillennial teaching. You believe Jesus is presently ruling and reigning in actuality? He has been given all power and authority under heaven, yes, but may I point you to the direction of the closest news website or newspaper? If Jesus is ruling and reigning now as you said, He does not seem to have much success?
Jesus will begin reigning once He returns.
Jesus will begin reigning once He returns.
When everyone fixates on the earthly desires, they miss the reality of the now:
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
Don't worry, the Pharisees missed it too.. your in good company at least.
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
Don't worry, the Pharisees missed it too.. your in good company at least.
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I showed you what the 40 years is equal to.. Jesus repeated it prior to the destruction of the Temple so the most possible might be saved. He repeated it during His temptation in the wilderness on smaller scale.
40 is a time of tempting and looking for the promised land, if your saved and in God's hand, God is busy perfecting you..
Lol. You are diverting the topic. The original topic was about Israel being saved from slavery of Egypt. You said they never had true faith, but God saved them and Exodus said they had faith. You deny this and make God seem foolish for rescuing a bunch of faithless people. Get back on topic please. Or are you in denial?
Do you think He saved them prior to being in the promised land?
In between Egypt and the land of promise He gave them opportunity - He spoke to them and they heard His voice - then rejected Him for a god built with human hands that was tangible and in their control, for that He decreed they would not walk into the promised land and demanded they repent of their sins.
Again God gave them Himself, the Messiah, this time tangible, touchable, and they rejected Him again. This time He gave them 40 years to complete His Covanent with them, to save them, for them to repent.
Were they saved then? Only the remnant who turned from their own way, and accepted Christ for their salvation. Those were saved.
The wandering isn't salvation, the wandering ends with salvation.
"We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified."
In between Egypt and the land of promise He gave them opportunity - He spoke to them and they heard His voice - then rejected Him for a god built with human hands that was tangible and in their control, for that He decreed they would not walk into the promised land and demanded they repent of their sins.
Again God gave them Himself, the Messiah, this time tangible, touchable, and they rejected Him again. This time He gave them 40 years to complete His Covanent with them, to save them, for them to repent.
Were they saved then? Only the remnant who turned from their own way, and accepted Christ for their salvation. Those were saved.
The wandering isn't salvation, the wandering ends with salvation.
"We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified."
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Self warped and deceived because we trust in Christ in salvation and not the work of our hands?
That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
I don't think my works will save me, I believe His works will...
Sorry you disagree, but this I believe and I don't see it making me warped and deceived. I love God. I do what pleases Him, or I certainly do my best in this regard although at times I fail or fall short..
In myself I don't have anything pleasing to God, I lived in a works faith, and works doesnt work for saving yourself.
Christ did the work. I have a full measure of faith in that which for some reason your unable to understand. But it doesn't make me deceived to have faith in Christ..
That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
I don't think my works will save me, I believe His works will...
Sorry you disagree, but this I believe and I don't see it making me warped and deceived. I love God. I do what pleases Him, or I certainly do my best in this regard although at times I fail or fall short..
In myself I don't have anything pleasing to God, I lived in a works faith, and works doesnt work for saving yourself.
Christ did the work. I have a full measure of faith in that which for some reason your unable to understand. But it doesn't make me deceived to have faith in Christ..
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God writes the book of our life before we are even born (Psalm 139:16). Everything He does in our life is to encourage and help us to become the people He intends for us to be. "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." (John 10:10) The enemy convicts & accuses people. God always encourage us and lifts us up.
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How did Zacchaeus place his full trust on the Lord, he was only willing to do the things that the rish young ruler was not able to do. Remember the rich young ruler who came to Jesus asking what he must do to inherit the kingdom of God? Jesus told him to keep the commandments which he confirmed that he does, so Jesus asked him to sell all he had and share with the poor which he couldn't.
So Zacchaeus did share with the poor and that's what it means faith in Jesus, if you don't, then you have denied the faith just as Paul says:
1 Tim 5:7Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
So Zacchaeus did share with the poor and that's what it means faith in Jesus, if you don't, then you have denied the faith just as Paul says:
1 Tim 5:7Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.