Apostasy 101

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Enxu said:
Once saved always saved.

They are fighting against what the Gospel plainly teach and continue to mock and give strawman arguments after the Scriptures prove them wrong.


Did you even read what I’ve written? If not, don’t put words into my mouth. I said salvation is conditional on true faith, and true faith results in works of obedience. I already stated that in my last reply to you yet you still argue back with falsehood.
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They claim Faith in Christ, but they have not the faith that Christ can deal with their sinful nature. They very much have faith IN their sinful nature.

1 John 3
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
 
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Enxu said:
Once saved always saved.

They are fighting against what the Gospel plainly teach and continue to mock and give strawman arguments after the Scriptures prove them wrong.


Did you even read what I’ve written? If not, don’t put words into my mouth. I said salvation is conditional on true faith, and true faith results in works of obedience. I already stated that in my last reply to you yet you still argue back with falsehood.
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I don't believe those who are truly saved can be lost again...

we were lost when Christ found us.. If we are truly saved, with deep saving faith, God would be a liar if we could "take ourselves" from His Hand.

Jesus said all those who the Father has given Him will never be taken from His Hand. ...

Is Jesus a liar? If we find ourselves turning back again, maybe we never had a true saving faith, and perhaps the lesson we need to learn is what constitutes a true saving faith, verses faith held by even the demons...
 
EleventhHour said:
I am seeing you are bypassing positional sanctification once again and the imputed righteousness of Christ Jesus.
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Jude 1:4 For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
 
Hazelelponi said:
I don't believe those who are truly saved can be lost again...
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So God made a mistake to save a generation of Israel that perished in the wilderness later for unbelief. According to you they never had true faith. So God was wrong to save them from slavery. *facepalm*
 
Enxu said:
Jude 1:4 For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
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Who turns the Grace of God into license for immorality.... the one who has not believed that everything was settled at the cross.

Do you see "they deny Jesus Christ" ...the ones who deny grace because they believe salvation can be lost....they nullify the work of the cross.
The cross in your view necessary but not sufficient to save completely opposed to scripture.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Who turns the Grace of God into license for immorality.... the one who has not believed that everything was settled at the cross.

Do you see "they deny Jesus Christ" ...the ones who deny grace because they believe salvation can be lost....they nullify the work of the cross.
The cross in your view necessary but not sufficient to save completely opposed to scripture.
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Lol. According to you Paul was lying then . Why are believers cut off from God if they can’t lose salvation?

Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the kindness and severity of God: severity indeed upon those having fallen, but kindness of God toward you, if you continue in the kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
 
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Enxu said:
So God made a mistake to save a generation of Israel that perished in the wilderness later for unbelief. According to you they never had true faith. So God was wrong to save them from slavery. *facepalm*
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The wandering in the wilderness isn't the example of being saved...

It's the example of being offered salvation, and making the decision whether or not we will accept God's plan for us.

The 40 years in the wilderness is comparative to the time between the beginning of Jesus's ministry and the destruction of the Temple... that's 40 years where the Jews (of which only a remnant would be saved) had time to make a decision for Christ...

It's not the equivalent of our walk after finding Jesus. After we have found Jesus and been saved, we are entered into the promised land...

It's no longer propositional, it's here. I live under The King, in His dominian, under His rule. My citizenship is in Gods Heavenly Kingdom.

As Jesus said, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.. He is now, as i speak sat down at the right hand of the Father. He reigns now, today.

And my wandering is over...
 
Enxu said:
So God made a mistake to save a generation of Israel that perished in the wilderness later for unbelief. According to you they never had true faith. So God was wrong to save them from slavery. *facepalm*
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what does being saved from physical slavery have to do with eternal salvation in the afterlife? thats just salvation and deliverance from problems here on earth. like david says save me from my enemies.
 
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Melach said:
what does being saved from physical slavery have to do with eternal salvation in the afterlife? thats just salvation and deliverance from problems here on earth. like david says save me from my enemies.
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You have no understanding of Scriptures then. Israel’s delivery from slavery was a foreshadow of people’s delivery from the slavery of sin. And both are conditional on faith.
 
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