Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

[dcontroversal]

False premise and a lack of understanding by the OP...also contradictions....

Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

OR

I never said pastors should not be supported by the church


For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”

wages->>Misthos <- PAY, WAGES SALARY

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I’m not upset at anyone, it is you guys upset that someone like me dare to speak out against the corruption and hypocrisy of preachers today. Your lack of love for God is glaringly obvious.

That's a lie.
It's my defense of scripture, and love for his word being preached, and love for those who labour in his word.

Sure there are corrupt men who call themselves preachers but we aren't talking about them we are discussing actual Christian preachers who labour in the word for the kingdom

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I'm sorry, but oxen don't thresh grain!!!

That's a quote from scripture.

I'm sure 2000 years ago they may have used some terms differently than we do today. It's possible that the writer could have been referring to the ox pulling a cart or wagon through the field as the grain was harvested. Some versions say "treads out"

None the less I'm not interested in semantics. You can deal with God about how his word is written, and translated .

What was written to Timothy was a directive for paying those who preach and teach. You can deal with God on that subject as well.

 

[Enxu]

That's a lie.
It's my defense of scripture, and love for his word being preached, and love for those who labour in his word.

Sure there are corrupt men who call themselves preachers but we aren't talking about them we are discussing actual Christian preachers who labour in the word for the kingdom

Actual Christian preachers who labour in the Word did not start asking for money to pay themselves until the Roman Catholic Church, and its corruption is evident to all.

 

[Enxu]

That's a quote from scripture.

I'm sure 2000 years ago they may have used some terms differently than we do today. It's possible that the writer could have been referring to the ox pulling a cart or wagon through the field as the grain was harvested. Some versions say "treads out"

None the less I'm not interested in semantics. You can deal with God about how his word is written, and translated .

What was written to Timothy was a directive for paying those who preach and teach. You can deal with God on that subject as well.

Oxen and animals in the past were fed with their basic needs to keep them alive. The same applies to teachers.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Actual Christian preachers who labour in the Word did not start asking for money to pay themselves until the Roman Catholic Church, and its corruption is evident to all.

Have you ever bothered to read the Bible?
It's my top recommendation for reading.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Oxen and animals in the past were fed with their basic needs to keep them alive. The same applies to teachers.

Humans aren't oxen.

Read Whole! passage in context, which I am convinced is a problem for you.

The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing ,” and “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”
1 Timothy 5:17‭-‬18 NASB

I don't know why you hate the preaching or the word, or those who labour in the teaching and preaching.
I would prefer they be treated well and blessed for their trouble.

 

[melita916]

My pastor receives a salary.

 

[Marcelo]

My pastor receives a salary.

Your pastor receives a salary and my elder (pastor) does NOT receive a salary. Which one is biblically correct? I think both are correct and it is up to the congregation to decide whether or not the pastor should get paid.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

My pastor receives a salary.

Good,
If he is a good pastor working diligently in the word, then it is good that he is blessed for his labors.

 

[Dino246]

You disagree with my stance that pastors should not be paid salaries, and salaries paid to pastors are often about getting rich and is way beyond what is necessary for basic needs. You’ve just disagreed with Jesus’ words about freely giving the Gospel as we’ve freely received.

Wow, you're seriously deluded. Has it occurred to you that your words are not Jesus' words?

You asserted that not all wealthy preachers preach false doctrines: which is equivalent to saying not all rich pastors are false preachers. It is your burden to proof that.

Support your assertion first.

How are those church expenses reasonable when it’s just about making the pews nicer to sit on, paint the walls with a new shade of colours and getting the latest gadgets to make things more appealing to the five senses?

All such expenses are used to appeal to the flesh, and we are asked to crucify the flesh along with its passions and lusts. A logical contradiction yet again.

How a church that you don't attend spends the money it receives from congregants is between that church's leadership and its congregants. It's none of your business.

Do you sleep on the floor? Do you use a pillow? Do you wear anything more comfortable than sackcloth? Do you wear shoes? If the answer to any of those questions is "Yes", then you don't have the moral integrity to criticize others. By the way, even using the internet is a luxury, so you have already compromised your moral integrity.

Buh-bye.

 

[Enxu]

Have you ever bothered to read the Bible?
It's my top recommendation for reading.

Have you ever bothered to agree with what Paul wrote to Timothy about being content with food and clothing? It’s my top recommendation for all pastors.

 

[Enxu]

Wow, you're seriously deluded. Has it occurred to you that your words are not Jesus' words?

Freely you have received freely give is written in the Bible and is recorded as Jesus’ words. You are seriously deluded to think they are my words.

Support your assertion first.

I already did with actual examples of how church leaders misused church funds and cult leaders making big money from asking money. These things happened around me and were reported in the media. Obviously you refuse to read them. Prove your assertions now if you can. Lol.

How a church that you don't attend spends the money it receives from congregants is between that church's leadership and its congregants. It's none of your business.

What I post is none of your business either. I never even asked you to read it but here you are attacking me from start to end when I never directed this thread at you. Seems like an act of guilt more than anything. People who aren’t guilty of greed won’t get offended by this thread or anything for that matter.

Do you sleep on the floor? Do you use a pillow? Do you wear anything more comfortable than sackcloth? Do you wear shoes? If the answer to any of those questions is "Yes", then you don't have the moral integrity to criticize others. By the way, even using the internet is a luxury, so you have already compromised your moral integrity.

Buh-bye.

Lol. What is in your heart is so evident. Bye hypocrites.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...it is up to the congregation to decide whether or not the pastor should get paid.

This is the source of the problem -- "the pastor". Most evangelical and fundamental churches ignore the actual New Testament teaching on pastor/elder/bishops. There was always a PLURALITY OF ELDERS in all the NT churches.

For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders [PLURAL] in every city, as I had appointed thee: (Tit 1:5)

God never intended one man to shoulder the responsibility of shepherding a flock of Christians, just as Moses was encouraged to appoint elders to shoulder that responsibility in Israel. And it is in this context that Paul writes about giving *double honour* to those elders who LABOR in the Word and doctrine. So some elders would earn their own living while others would devote their full time to the ministry of the Word. But they would not be seminary graduates, but mature Christian men from within the assembly (as we see in Titus 1:5). Therefore compensation to preachers and evangelists is according to Scripture, for those who preach the Gospel must also live off the Gospel.

But here is what this OP is focused on -- "not for filthy lucre (money)": Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind (1 Pet 5:2) [Note: Money is not filthy per see, but when it is associated with greed, it becomes filthy]

So God already warned pastors that their ministry was NOT TO BECOME WEALTHY but to feed the flock with spiritual food, and tend the sheep on a personal basis by "taking the oversight thereof". And oversight refers to elders (presbuteros) being bishops or overseers (episkopos). Thus pastors were elders and elders were bishops, but it was always a group of men, not one man trying to do everything (as generally found today).

 

[Dino246]

What I post is none of your business either. I never even asked you to read it but here you are attacking me from start to end when I never directed this thread at you.

Actually, because this is a public forum, anything you write is fair game for criticism by any other member of this forum. Suck it up, buttercup.

 

[Enxu]

Actually, because this is a public forum, anything you write is fair game for criticism by any other member of this forum. Suck it up, buttercup.

Since this is a public forum, then you have no right to tell me either I have no business posting what I post. Suck it up, hypocrite.

 

[Enxu]

This is the source of the problem -- "the pastor". Most evangelical and fundamental churches ignore the actual New Testament teaching on pastor/elder/bishops. There was always a PLURALITY OF ELDERS in all the NT churches.

For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders [PLURAL] in every city, as I had appointed thee: (Tit 1:5)

God never intended one man to shoulder the responsibility of shepherding a flock of Christians, just as Moses was encouraged to appoint elders to shoulder that responsibility in Israel. And it is in this context that Paul writes about giving *double honour* to those elders who LABOR in the Word and doctrine. So some elders would earn their own living while others would devote their full time to the ministry of the Word. But they would not be seminary graduates, but mature Christian men from within the assembly (as we see in Titus 1:5). Therefore compensation to preachers and evangelists is according to Scripture, for those who preach the Gospel must also live off the Gospel.

But here is what this OP is focused on -- "not for filthy lucre (money)": Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind (1 Pet 5:2) [Note: Money is not filthy per see, but when it is associated with greed, it becomes filthy]

So God already warned pastors that their ministry was NOT TO BECOME WEALTHY but to feed the flock with spiritual food, and tend the sheep on a personal basis by "taking the oversight thereof". And oversight refers to elders (presbuteros) being bishops or overseers (episkopos). Thus pastors were elders and elders were bishops, but it was always a group of men, not one man trying to do everything (as generally found today).

Thank you for understanding my point.

 

[Enxu]

Here I am warning the dangers of pastors asking for money (a sign or at least a step towards greed), a practise totally foreign to the teachers who followed after the apostles, and all I get is mockery, false accusations and strawmen arguments. It angers me that those who truly love the Lord are so few and the Gospel is blasphemed because of pastors who don’t give a damn about what they do. If they were not guilty they would not take offence at anything I said. Mock me and falsely accuse me all you want hypocrites. Even the atheists and pagans see through your hypocrisy.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Have you ever bothered to agree with what Paul wrote to Timothy about being content with food and clothing? It’s my top recommendation for all pastors.

Out of context.
why do you hate God's word that you take it out of context and twist it and make it mean what you wanted to mean.

 

[Enxu]

Out of context.
why do you hate God's word that you take it out of context and twist it and make it mean what you wanted to mean.

Nothing is out of context, Paul said that teachers like Timothy should be content with food and clothing.

Why do you hate God’s word by refusing to agree with what it said and then go on to falsely accuse me of twisting it?