Salvation:
1. God loves us (from before the foundation of the world)
" Eph. 1:1-6
You are mixing up Election into this. Only God knows the Elect. All we know is that we either believe or not. Only to those who overcome will he give right to eat from the tree of life. All the Elect WILL OVERCOME. All those not elect will fall by the wayside. But only God knows the Elect. We are told to Believe.
Here is a topic thread on Election for you: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/election-101.189329/
I didn't even know that was a sin, until I had been saved for 2 years. Then I read it in the sin list in Gal. 5:19-20:
You have a part to play. And that is Believe. Because all of this is accessed THROUGH faith. None of the promises are yours without faith. By Grace you have been saved THROUGH faith. The Gift is salvation by Grace. You access this through belief. Jesus says BELIEV IN ME. A commandment. An instruction. It is the part you bring. And that is why unbelief leads to Apostasy (continued unbelief)
"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy,
fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-20
According to EleventhHour, living in none of these can cause a loss of salvation, yet it clearly says so in verse 21 above. And you think her doctrine is good and solid. If so, then your doctrine is on sinking sand. And I don't care how many times you have read the bible and in which languages. You are then deceived, and not able to see.
But, I never at any point in my spiritual journey went from life to death. The way Arminians ignore this passage and many other places, like Col. 2:13
Nor have I implied that you move in and out of life and death, saved and unsaved. If you read my posts I have never asserted this. You are saved. If you live in unbelief that can lead to Apostasy. If you live a live of continual willful sin then there is no more sacrifice for sins, as per this thread OP. My message has always been, and will always be a life led by the Spirit, and the putting to death the misdeeds of the body. If you do this you are walking in the light as He is in the light, and the blood of Jesus will cleanse you from all sin. But if you walk in the flesh, you will die.
"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," Col. 2:13
Also, these famous verses from the Roman Road, also reflect that salvation is when God takes us from death to life in him.
So a focus on Romans 6 will clarify for you. And too Romans 7 and 8. That is what I am preaching. Why do you reject the very message I bring about this. If I say "Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Certainly Not!" why do you kick against this.It is pure scripture. The corrolary: Can we continue in Sin now that we have grace? Please answer this Y/N?
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23.
God will be the one to judge whether you lived your life in sin. You still have the choice to as a believer. And this very verse applies to all of us. If I am a believer I have a daily choice to live according to the Spirit or the Flesh. Verse 23 will be God's decision. Are you living by the Spirit (the gift in verse 23) or fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. You cant have both. You are to put the one to death. If you will not then you will fall into judgement.
So, how many times has God killed you since he first saved you? If you ever died, then I cannot believe you were ever made spiritually alive. God never says he will take us from spiritual life to death, not even your Hebrews 6 passage.
Romans 6, you do it to yourself with your choices. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of verses with warnings. Why do you think these warnings exist to the church. Ask yourself that?
Salvation in Greek is
soso. It means salvation or deliverance. We simply cannot be "un" saved, no matter how we fall. God does not kill his living children. He loves them, which is why they are his. There is no ordo salvos saying we:
The one who sins is not a Son but a Slave. And the slave does not abide in the house forever.
Live, then make a mistake or sin and die. God rebrings us to life then we fail for a short time, or long time, we die, and then God brings us back to life.
Covered above
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary." Hebrew 10:15-18
A covenant has two parties to the agreement. If you forsake Him, then He will forsake you. Deut 31 it happened to Israel, and it can happen under the new covenant as well. You have a part to play.
So, as someone said earlier, the straw man you created is not based on the lives of real, alive, born from above, Christians.
But on the contrary, the world is littered with broken lives of thise who fell away. So whilst you say this in a utopian sense, the reality is very different for those who heeded not the warnings.
And if someone is sinning willfully, either they were never made alive by the power of
God, or they have not been taught properly!
Or they gave into continual temptation, which brought forth death.
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