Not By Works

[VCO]

Here is how ridiculous your theories are:


Ephesians 2:5 (ESV)
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Ephesians 2:8-9 (ESV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith.
And this is not your own doing;
it is the gift of God,
9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 11:29 (HCSB)
29 since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.



I think I know what the problem is. I would guess that You do think of GOD as a created being traveling through time as we know it.

I do not, because HE IS THE CREATOR OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT. HE IS ETERNAL, and that means HE IS OUTSIDE OF TIME as we know it.

He declares the End from the Beginning, because He is OMNIPRESENT in both SPACE and TIME.

I knows every decision you will make in time, Because He is Omnipresent in Space as well as TIME.

His Foreknowledge is PERFECT, because HE IS Omnipresent in ALL OF TIME.

GOD IS WAY BIGGER THAN YOU HAVE EVER THOUGHT.

Third line from the BOTTOM, IS A BIG TYPO. "HE KNOWS EVERY DECISION YOU WILL MAKE IN TIME, . . ." I told you all I was old!

Now I am "One Foot In The Grave".

 

[49]

I had to read the 1611 Preface about 3 times before it started to make sense to me. Can you imagine how much harder those older versions of the Bible would make reading those would be?

(Still have difficulty making sense of some today myself ).

Certainly do enjoy your posts sir.

 

[EleventhHour]

GLAD I aint the only one to notice EleventhHour is in some SERIOUS error. This is exactly why I said in my previous post about a week ago or something that SHE JUST PROVED all the OSAS opponents right by claiming what she did. WAY TO GO! All their criticism is actually CORRECT in the case of EleventhHour. BUT HEY, im placing my bet on the fact that she is so far in error that she will NEVER give up this false doctrine, which is why I wont be debating it, there is no debate or no discussion to be had its a SEALED deal and simple Scripture will prove her theory wrong, but what can ya do when its either ignored or twisted.

LUCKY FOR ME: I dont hold to that view, I hold to PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS. Eternal security of the believer, I believe in the GOD who gets thing DONE and is sanctifying His people not MAYBE sanctifying, not TRYING to sanctify, but actually succeeds!

Here is my response... I truly feel sorry for you... however please do not mention me again, I do not recall ever making slanderous comments towards you, except that I have now noted that you line up very well with dogma you follow, which you have taken on by choice.

The only heresy is arguing against eternal security and the dual application of sanctification. @EleventhHour was not defending a live as you please gospel, but rather the position of eternal security which you either believe or not! David committed a premeditated murder for the sake of sex, adultry and an accidental pregnancy from having sex with Bathsheba and URIAH even carried his own death senentence to the front lines....YET David remained a Saved child of God and paid the price PHYSICALLY for his sin, was chastened by GOD, and God only whips children NOT BASTARDS......so.....what fruit is born by those that or the ones that do no work

a. Have all their works burnt by fire yet are saved so as by fire

b. To the ones that WORK NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited to righteeousness.

For the record....I could care less what the REFORMED believe and or peddle....they do NOT SET the standard for biblical truth....the bible does.....and if anything, by the response of the false teacher....you empowered them by your stance against the point Eleventh was making....NOT THAT WE CAN SIN LIKE HELL because we are saved eternally, but that because we are saved eternally, sin will not cause the loss of salvation!!!

 

[49]

Third line from the BOTTOM, IS A BIG TYPO. "HE KNOWS EVERY DECISION YOU WILL MAKE IN TIME, . . ." I told you all I was old!

Now I am "One Foot In The Grave".

One step closer to Heaven ....

 

[EleventhHour]

I know she is not

But that’s what she claimed

I think the issue is what is living in sin

A child of god can’t. Why?

I am lost here.....what did I claim?

 

[EleventhHour]

And don't forget this verse also (along with that ^ ):

"But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit." - 1 Corinthians 6:17



[to be clear: we are in agreement, in that, neither of us hold to "one naturism"]

Can you elaborate how you see the words working together?

 

[dcontroversal]

Yet the still had at least one work according to James

Yep....called the works of the Heavenly Father -->believe on the one whom he sent!

 

[dcontroversal]

Do not accuse me of lawlessness....or that I promote lawlessness.
You know nothing about me.

I know....I laughed out loud when I read that......He got miffed at me because I reported one working for clown for constantly accusing me and making very derogatory remarks which got him banned....man the wool is coming off the eyes.....hey!

 

[EleventhHour]

I know....I laughed out loud when I read that......He got miffed at me because I reported one working for clown for constantly accusing me and making very derogatory remarks which got him banned....man the wool is coming off the eyes.....hey!

Okay .....maybe I can laugh... "spiritually and mentally fried".. that is a new one.

 

[dcontroversal]

O

It’s the work of God we believe

Faith is not our work it’s Gods work in us

Obviously it is all God or fraudulent.....translate that verse......and in the context given.....it heavely implies that the only work God requires is belief.

 

[dcontroversal]

Okay .....maybe I can laugh... "spiritually and mentally fried".. that is a new one.

Yeah I don't pay too much attention to the drivel....I will oppose it, but deep down could care less what anyone thinks....like the name Daniel -->GOD is my judge!

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry bro I have no idea what your trying to say, can you try to rephrase, you seem to be talking presalvation. I am talking post. As is James

Question, Can a child of God live in sin?

You already know my answers to that question migo.....I have clearly stated teo things about sin in a believer...

a. That John speaks to a continual lifestyle of sin in a believer

b. No believer is without sin

c. Believers are positioned in grace which out bounds our sin.

d. NO SIN causes the loss of salvation

e. NO WORKS prove salvation because LOST MEN do many WONDERUL works in the name of a cause or even Jesus daily.

f. No saved man produces fruit or works.....It is JESUS in us and through us that produces the fruit and or works and exactly why all glory goes to God

and regardless.....we cannot ALLEVIATE....to the one who DOES NO WORK, but believes on him that JUSTIFIES the ungodly HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....

works of wood, hay and stubble burnt yet saved so as by fire indicates NO GOOD WORKS yet saved.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Does it matter
can that claimed faith save them
who claimed to have that faith?

Those who were hearers and not diets bruise who hade mere belief yet never trusted god with saving faith

The use of the word THAT is pointed at which type of faith....a MERE belief in GOD just as the demons have....and the JEWS to this day still have the same problem.....MANY BELIEVE in God, but have no faith into CHRIST.......and that is the contrast of James.....regardless.....We cannot contradict James against Romans.....Paul is clear...faith is what justifies a man BEFORE God without the DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW

 

[dcontroversal]

I know she is not

But that’s what she claimed

I think the issue is what is living in sin

A child of god can’t. Why?

I would not say can't but should'nt.......and let me qualify....

God only whips children....why does he whip them.....because they are disobedient <--is disobedience sin? He will chasten a child to correct a child that is indeed in sin (disobedience) and WILL EVEN take one HOME EARLY if they refuse correction......You and I have both at one time WALKED CONTRARY AND IN SIN after salvation and like the prodigal WE CAME BACK....but while we were contrary we were indeed living in sin!

 

[dcontroversal]

Yet the still had at least one work according to James

Bro....you know I consider you a brother and love you in the truth, but we cannot alleviate the audience that is being addressed and the root cause of their issue....12 tribes scattered abroad...JEWS and the same issue they have to this day...a MERE belief in God......there does seem to be a blend of believers and unbelievers within the scope of the letter because he speaks to the trial of their FAITH......WHAT work did they have? And how does that work have any bearing on being saved wholly by faith?

 

[Lightskin]

GLAD I aint the only one to notice EleventhHour is in some SERIOUS error. This is exactly why I said in my previous post about a week ago or something that SHE JUST PROVED all the OSAS opponents right by claiming what she did. WAY TO GO! All their criticism is actually CORRECT in the case of EleventhHour. BUT HEY, im placing my bet on the fact that she is so far in error that she will NEVER give up this false doctrine, which is why I wont be debating it, there is no debate or no discussion to be had its a SEALED deal and simple Scripture will prove her theory wrong, but what can ya do when its either ignored or twisted.

LUCKY FOR ME: I dont hold to that view, I hold to PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS. Eternal security of the believer, I believe in the GOD who gets thing DONE and is sanctifying His people not MAYBE sanctifying, not TRYING to sanctify, but actually succeeds!

Do you believe your post is sanctifying whereby you publicly criticize a woman who proclaims the fullness of Jesus’ life, death and Resurrection?

 

[dcontroversal]

Thank you for the response, it just confirms you have nothing to say about the issues.
The issues are God sending John the Baptist to make straight the path of Israel.
Repentance followed by baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus also forgave people their sins by telling them their sins were forgiven.

Now if forgiving sins and walking the straight path is Gods reality, then claiming sin turns
us to need Christ and can never be resolved is wrong.

Put another way if Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous and blameless, so can we be walking
in the Holy Spirit.

And to Jesus goes all the glory to make the impossible possible.

Make straight the pathnof Israel....go back to the drawing board man.......his ministry was connected to Jesus and he did not peddle baptismal regeneration and or a works based ideology.....He prepared the WAY FOR JESUS not ISRAEL!

 

[VCO]

One step closer to Heaven ....

Yes, I keep hoping the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ will be in my life time. If not so be it. But it is still wonderful to think about it.

Critics like to try to dash our expectation of HIS coming, by saying their is No Such Thing as Two Second comings. I tell them, It is Not a COMING until HIS FEET TOUCH THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, so us going to meet Him in the air, IS NOT A COMING.

Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Their is your Second Coming about 7 years later, We are Called out to meet our Bridegroom in the Air, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, in the New City Jerusalem in Heaven.

 

[PS]

Yes, I keep hoping the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ will be in my life time. If not so be it. But it is still wonderful to think about it.

Critics like to try to dash our expectation of HIS coming, by saying their is No Such Thing as Two Second comings. I tell them, It is Not a COMING until HIS FEET TOUCH THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, so us going to meet Him in the air, IS NOT A COMING.

Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Their is your Second Coming about 7 years later, We are Called out to meet our Bridegroom in the Air, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, in the New City Jerusalem in Heaven.

In the Bible, God sometimes used nature to achieve His aims. So, if you want to watch for Christ's Second Coming in the clouds, how about keeping an eye on His creation, the weather?

And when all is done, there might even be a new creation on earth?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yep....called the works of the Heavenly Father -->believe on the one whom he sent!

Amen.

but this is not what James is discussing.

he is talking out our works of faith, one of which is no longer living in sin.having victory over the Flesh.