Not By Works
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Jesus said the work of the Father is to believe on him whom he has sent ..
Does not a saved child of GOD have one work or not<--The work of the Heavenly Father....yes or no
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To him that WORKS NOT, BUT BELIEVES on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to righteousness
Is he saved and has his faith BEEN CREDITED TO RIGHTEOUSNESS (JUSTIFIED) yes or no
so.....If one has worked the works of the Heavenly Father and DOES NOT WORK but has had faith which is credited to righteousness are they saved? Yes or No?
Does not a saved child of GOD have one work or not<--The work of the Heavenly Father....yes or no
and
To him that WORKS NOT, BUT BELIEVES on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to righteousness
Is he saved and has his faith BEEN CREDITED TO RIGHTEOUSNESS (JUSTIFIED) yes or no
so.....If one has worked the works of the Heavenly Father and DOES NOT WORK but has had faith which is credited to righteousness are they saved? Yes or No?
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I do not think she is saying that migo....
The implication is....the spirit born of God does not sin while the flesh is dead in sin and can do nothing but sin...you have said yourself that we all sin everyday in some form or fashion...I know from her posts she believes in ongoing sanctification which is a process of growth and maturity and at different levels in every true believer.....IMO it would be vain or foolish to disregard the high probility that there are some that have been truely born again, yet due to a lack of teaching or growth remain stunted and immature while struggling every day of their lives with the particular sins that beset their race......and there is a balance to be struck for sure, but we cannot alleviate the absolute truth that MANY will have works of wood, hay and stubble that get crispy fried yet they themselves are saved.......
The implication is....the spirit born of God does not sin while the flesh is dead in sin and can do nothing but sin...you have said yourself that we all sin everyday in some form or fashion...I know from her posts she believes in ongoing sanctification which is a process of growth and maturity and at different levels in every true believer.....IMO it would be vain or foolish to disregard the high probility that there are some that have been truely born again, yet due to a lack of teaching or growth remain stunted and immature while struggling every day of their lives with the particular sins that beset their race......and there is a balance to be struck for sure, but we cannot alleviate the absolute truth that MANY will have works of wood, hay and stubble that get crispy fried yet they themselves are saved.......
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Gotta love it. Well maybe one of you will bend or you can reach some antinomian (i mean uhh... free grace cause thats what grace totally is right eleventhhour?) compromise? 
To hold to that ones gotta be ABSOLUTELY spiritually and mentally FRIED.
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4119995 For those interested in what the original perseverance of the saints was as taught by the reformers, not modern day loser teachers who will never amount to anything.
To hold to that ones gotta be ABSOLUTELY spiritually and mentally FRIED.
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4119995 For those interested in what the original perseverance of the saints was as taught by the reformers, not modern day loser teachers who will never amount to anything.
You know nothing about me.
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Gotta love it. Well maybe one of you will bend or you can reach some antinomian (i mean uhh... free grace cause thats what grace totally is right eleventhhour?) compromise?
To hold to that ones gotta be ABSOLUTELY spiritually and mentally FRIED.
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4119995 For those interested in what the original perseverance of the saints was as taught by the reformers, not modern day loser teachers who will never amount to anything.
To hold to that ones gotta be ABSOLUTELY spiritually and mentally FRIED.
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4119995 For those interested in what the original perseverance of the saints was as taught by the reformers, not modern day loser teachers who will never amount to anything.
All sin was dealt with at the cross...that is a truth I do not have a problem with...but law keepers do.
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I am very glad you do not follow that teaching. Maybe we are not understanding each other to some extent...discussion boards have their limitations.
Know this as someone has chosen to wrongly malign me I do not preach lawlessness....grace can never be equated to lawlessness that is just plain wrong.
Know this as someone has chosen to wrongly malign me I do not preach lawlessness....grace can never be equated to lawlessness that is just plain wrong.
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Thank you for the response, it just confirms you have nothing to say about the issues.
The issues are God sending John the Baptist to make straight the path of Israel.
Repentance followed by baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
Jesus also forgave people their sins by telling them their sins were forgiven.
Now if forgiving sins and walking the straight path is Gods reality, then claiming sin turns
us to need Christ and can never be resolved is wrong.
Put another way if Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous and blameless, so can we be walking
in the Holy Spirit.
And to Jesus goes all the glory to make the impossible possible.
The issues are God sending John the Baptist to make straight the path of Israel.
Repentance followed by baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
Jesus also forgave people their sins by telling them their sins were forgiven.
Now if forgiving sins and walking the straight path is Gods reality, then claiming sin turns
us to need Christ and can never be resolved is wrong.
Put another way if Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous and blameless, so can we be walking
in the Holy Spirit.
And to Jesus goes all the glory to make the impossible possible.
Romans 6:22-23
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
Being set free from sin, is this learning the causes of addiction and avoiding it, rather than addiction being removed. God promises strength through our limitations and weaknesses, love and our faith conquering all.
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
Being set free from sin, is this learning the causes of addiction and avoiding it, rather than addiction being removed. God promises strength through our limitations and weaknesses, love and our faith conquering all.