Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil and being Joint Heirs with Christ.

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JamOn said:
Thank you for posting and it was helpful.

I’m pretty much on the side of animals don’t have immortal souls, I know some might think fluffy the cat will be in heaven but if that is the case than the cockroach, spider, shark, snake all kinds of scary things will be in heaven as well can’t have fluffy the cat without the cockroach also.
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We will be in incorruptible bodies. Nothing will be scary.
 
JamOn said:
Though nothing says the serpent sneaked in scripture says he was in the garden adorned with many gems, its not much of a difference your talking thousands of animals hunkered down in a boat. and who says God didn’t bring animals two by two for Adam to name the thought of thousands of animals running wild in the garden does sound plausible
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By the time the Garden of Eden came about Satan was no longer "adorned". He was the tree of good and evil. Iniquity had been found. An entire age destroyed. He had been demoted from his previous position. He had gone from the King of Tyre to the prince of the power of the air. Why do you think Adam was commanded NOT to partake?
 
JamOn said:
I’m pretty much on the side of animals don’t have immortal souls, I know some might think fluffy the cat will be in heaven but if that is the case than the cockroach, spider, shark, snake all kinds of scary things will be in heaven as well can’t have fluffy the cat without the cockroach also.
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Right. All I am sure of is that whatever God has planned for animals and creeping things is what is best. God never does things second best or just "okay".



 
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They will have no venom. No need to protect themselves or kill others. No power to hurt or cause pain. So people like spiders. Can't say anything good about the cockroach though.
 
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DeighAnn said:
By the time the Garden of Eden came about Satan was no longer "adorned". He was the tree of good and evil. Iniquity had been found. An entire age destroyed. He had been demoted from his previous position. He had gone from the King of Tyre to the prince of the power of the air. Why do you think Adam was commanded NOT to partake?
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the tree was a knowledge tree not a spirit
 
DeighAnn said:
They will have no venom. No need to protect themselves or kill others. No power to hurt or cause pain. So people like spiders. Can't say anything good about the cockroach though.
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Cockroach milk will be the knew next superfood, and cockroaches have health benefits in Brazil they ground them up and put them in tea
 
JohnR7 said:
If there are 8 billion people in the world today then at the time of Adam and Eve there would be less then a million. God made them male and female and then He wanted them to be united together as one. This is a type of the relationship we are to have with Jesus as we are the Bride and He is the Bridegroom. We then become joint heirs with Him. We will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. The difference between Adam and Eve is they had the breath of life. That is why today when we become born again we become Spirit filled. We receive the Spirit of God.

It is a popular belief that the story of Adam and Eve is very romantic. He was willing to give his life for her because he did not want to live without her. We can only speculate as to what God would have done if Adam had not followed Eve in her transgression. Perhaps this would be better served with it's own thread as to what made the relationship between Adam and Eve so special.
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how many people, in your opinion, were saved from the flood?
 
JamOn said:
Cockroach milk will be the knew next superfood, and cockroaches have health benefits in Brazil they ground them up and put them in tea
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I know prophets ate insects but the thought of any of it just makes my face scrunch. I am not and have never been an adventurous eater as far as MY memory serves.
 
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JamOn said:
I’d say the difference is humans have immortal souls, animals have the life souls
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i don't know of anything in the Bible that indicates to me these other living beings were created to be vanishingly temporary and become completely erased from existence in God's eyes when their mortal bodies return to dust.
 
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DeighAnn said:
I know prophets ate insects but the thought of any of it just makes my face scrunch. I am not and have never been an adventurous eater as far as MY memory serves.
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I agree neither am I, if I see in the near future cockroach milk in the supermarket I’m not buying it for sure lol.

I read an article that says cockroach milk has three times the health benefits as cow milk but I don’t care
 
posthuman said:
i don't know of anything in the Bible that indicates to me these other living beings were created to be vanishingly temporary and become completely erased from existence in God's eyes when their mortal bodies return to dust.
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And don’t see where they live eternal life along side human spirits, if you can show me they do I’m willing to believe
 
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JamOn said:
And don’t see where they live eternal life along side human spirits, if you can show me they do I’m willing to believe
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possibly here

I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. ​
(Romans 8:18-21) ​

the creation itself will be liberated from bondage to decay and the creation itself will be brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. isn't this saying that the creation shares in the same hope the believer does? if our hope is redemption to eternal life in Him, is it the same hope of the creation?
 
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I guess if animals have souls
posthuman said:
possibly here

I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. ​
(Romans 8:18-21) ​

the creation itself will be liberated from bondage to decay and the creation itself will be brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. isn't this saying that the creation shares in the same hope the believer does? if our hope is redemption to eternal life in Him, is it the same hope of the creation?
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I think it’s not saying all of creation but the creation as in us awaits
 
posthuman said:
like this is only talking about the mortal bodies of believers, no other part of creation?
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I think It says the creation meaning the human, what animal waits in eager expectation, do trees think and wait eagerly
 
For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the One who subjected it

Every created person is subject to frustration born with a sinful nature because of one.
 
JamOn said:
Cockroach milk will be the knew next superfood, and cockroaches have health benefits in Brazil they ground them up and put them in tea
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o_O :sick:



JamOn said:
I agree neither am I, if I see in the near future cockroach milk in the supermarket I’m not buying it for sure lol.

I read an article that says cockroach milk has three times the health benefits as cow milk but I don’t care
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I thought I was being punked when I read your posts about cockroach milk so I looked it up. People are actually looking into this. Yikes!!! Blows my mind what foolishness we (humans) buy into.



 
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reneweddaybyday said:
o_O :sick:




I thought I was being punked when I read your posts about cockroach milk so I looked it up. People are actually looking into this. Yikes!!! Blows my mind what foolishness we (humans) buy into.
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Well the research shows it has more nutrients than cow milk but I don’t think I could stomach it. maybe if it doesn’t say cockroach milk I don’t know even then I don’t think so
 
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