Not By Works
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The false gospels that I typically hear are:
We are "initially saved by faith, not works, but salvation is maintained by works."
We are saved by faith + works and salvation is maintained by works.
We are saved by faith + "these" works and just not "those" works.
We are saved by "grace plus law, faith plus works."
We are "initially saved by faith, not works, but salvation is maintained by works."
We are saved by faith + works and salvation is maintained by works.
We are saved by faith + "these" works and just not "those" works.
We are saved by "grace plus law, faith plus works."
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Dead faith is dead. No life, not living.
it can’t save, because it never had life.
thats WHY there was no works (remember these people were going to church and evidently held position in the church, James called this no works..
I struggled with this verse for years. Because I could never explain it to workers for in a way which made sense. saying a person can be saved with zero works just does not jive with scripture. There will be some works, even in a babe.
it can’t save, because it never had life.
thats WHY there was no works (remember these people were going to church and evidently held position in the church, James called this no works..
I struggled with this verse for years. Because I could never explain it to workers for in a way which made sense. saying a person can be saved with zero works just does not jive with scripture. There will be some works, even in a babe.
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he is not talking about losing salvation
he is talking about impostors who never had salvation
they only CLAIM to have faith,
he is speaking against a licentious gospel. People who claim they have faith in God and are saved, but never had true saving faith proved by the fact they never had shown ANY work that a person of true faith WILL show.
true believer will not be hearers only and not doers, they may not all be super christian, but some part of their life will change, it has to because they were made new creatures
he is talking about impostors who never had salvation
they only CLAIM to have faith,
he is speaking against a licentious gospel. People who claim they have faith in God and are saved, but never had true saving faith proved by the fact they never had shown ANY work that a person of true faith WILL show.
true believer will not be hearers only and not doers, they may not all be super christian, but some part of their life will change, it has to because they were made new creatures
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I have to get to church I will just say this
a person who has no works is like a person who continues to live in sin, they show no changed life. They live (even in the church) like the world does, always promoting self, no love, selfish, working for gain, not for service.
john tells us these people have never seen or known God,
paul says those saved by faith will do works
james Is just staying a fact, if you claim to have faith, but do not have the works paul said you will have, or the change in life John said you will have (works) your faith is dead, unable to save. powerless
a person who has no works is like a person who continues to live in sin, they show no changed life. They live (even in the church) like the world does, always promoting self, no love, selfish, working for gain, not for service.
john tells us these people have never seen or known God,
paul says those saved by faith will do works
james Is just staying a fact, if you claim to have faith, but do not have the works paul said you will have, or the change in life John said you will have (works) your faith is dead, unable to save. powerless
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