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You can twist all you want pal....we have all seen your unbiblical position......SO...which past banned member are you....some of what you are saying seems to be very familiar.....we already KNOW at least one previous banned member is back...
So....have you ever been on this site under a different name? YES or NO
So....have you ever been on this site under a different name? YES or NO
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Yes, I have said before that there is a belief that does not last/persevere. But the condition was not stated as “if believers preservere”, for the text says “you are saved (present tense) if you hold firmly to the Word, meaning they are saved already if...the future perserverance is the result of present state of salvation
1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:12:-17
Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
So.... some members of the church at Corinth denied the resurrection. These are those who are being addressed in in the first 2 verses of chapter 15.
What kind of Christian denies the resurrection?
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:12:-17
Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
So.... some members of the church at Corinth denied the resurrection. These are those who are being addressed in in the first 2 verses of chapter 15.
What kind of Christian denies the resurrection?
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You are saved (present tense)
If you hold firmly to the Word...(quality of God's sheep)
Unless you have believed in vain. (to no effect)...or it could refer to the fact that if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen, and thus we would still be dead in our sins. Grave error of the Corinthians. If what they believed was true, (wasn't) they believed in vain, right?
If you hold firmly to the Word...(quality of God's sheep)
Unless you have believed in vain. (to no effect)...or it could refer to the fact that if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen, and thus we would still be dead in our sins. Grave error of the Corinthians. If what they believed was true, (wasn't) they believed in vain, right?
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If the dead do not rise, Christ did not rise
If Christ did not rise, they and we are dead in our sins
If they were yet dead in their sins, they believed in vain.
Is this what Paul meant by "believe in vain" or did he main "believe to no effect", ie they were not regenerate who do not hold fast to the Word? or both
If Christ did not rise, they and we are dead in our sins
If they were yet dead in their sins, they believed in vain.
Is this what Paul meant by "believe in vain" or did he main "believe to no effect", ie they were not regenerate who do not hold fast to the Word? or both
That is, if their belief that the dead do not rise was true, (which it wasn't), then they believed in vain, because if the dead do not rise, Christ is not risen, and if if Christ is not risen, they and we are yet dead in our sins. Any belief that leaves us yet dead in our sins is a belief in vain.
Note...I am not saying we are sinless. I am saying we are no longer dead in our sins. If we be risen with Christ, we are alive to Christ and dead to sin.
Note...I am not saying we are sinless. I am saying we are no longer dead in our sins. If we be risen with Christ, we are alive to Christ and dead to sin.