That's fine. You can talk to them about that.
But what about people like me who say you can lose your salvation if you stop believing?
Apostasy 101
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But what about people like me who say you can lose your salvation if you stop believing?
No, I do not side with those who teach baptismal regeneration as a hard and fast rule.
I, personally, was regenerated the moment I received God's offer of salvation.
There's not a lot of bodies of water available that aren't frozen in Michigan in January, lol.
I literally felt different the moment I received God's forgiveness.
But I know it can be different for other people in different circumstances.
I got water baptized about two months later, at which time I received boldness to witness.
And I don't side with anybody who teaches that justification is earned on the basis of meritorious works.
Well, you've have to talk to them about that.
Like I say you'll have to talk to works salvationists about that.
And as far as me doing that, just let me know which scriptures I make not mean what they say in order to defend against osas.
There are times when I go to respond to a post and I just think to myself 'it will be impossible to untangle this mess'. So I know what you're talking about.that would be a stretch and a process, but it would clear up the spaghetti noodle arguments so abundant here...meaning you can't see the end or the beginning of said spaghetti noodle tangle
Where, in Matthew 18:23-35?
If so, yes.
The servant was forgiven because he asked.
Then he wasn't forgiven and had to pay back the debt he used to owe.
But osas is sure any gift of God can not and will not be taken back.
Jesus doesn't agree with that.
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there are many reasons for divisions
some can be as simple as what a person has been taught from grasshopper level to kangaroo level
Its not possible.
If a person could stop believing then they weren't saved to begin with.
So, what you are saying is, it isn't really offered to whomsoever would, but it is really only offered to whomsoever would and would continue on and do right with it. Is that correct?
Certain parts of scripture are incorrect because of your interpretation of certain other parts of scripture?
Do you see a problem with that?
Not that it will help all but
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
That's what I've been saying is the problem with once saved always saved. It makes so many plain scriptures not really mean what they say. Matthew 18:23-35 is a good example. You have to think of a way for that passage to not really mean what it says to preserve a doctrine of once saved always saved. Jesus said the servant was forgiven, and then the servant's debt was reinstated. Once saved always saved insists that will never happen.
The The Galatians were saved, then they stopped believing and went back to the law for justification.
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7seasrekeyed
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sigh
just two ships passing in the night
recipe for disaster
add all the ingredients, shake well and stand back for the explosion
just two ships passing in the night
recipe for disaster
add all the ingredients, shake well and stand back for the explosion
Maybe they are not as plain as you think if they contradict other scripture.
Maybe those "plain" scriptures don't mean near what YOU think they mean.
All I do is make sure that scripture agrees with scripture and that my belief does not contradict any of it. It contradicts a lot of what people THINK scripture means, but then I explain my view and why it is different. But its never against scripture.
You don't have to stop believing in order to go back to the law and work at it.
There are many people who believe in Christ that also work at the law.
I would say that they just don't have a very good understanding of Christ and what He has done. An incomplete belief.
Some of the legalists and the way they twist scripture it would be pretty easy to be led astray by working at the law. If a person didn't study scripture and pray.
Do you even understand the meaning of the eternal security of the believer? Just drop OSAS and focus on the Gospel itself. And just two verses should suffice.
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11:25,26)
And if you believe Him do you believe His words? Because believing in Him includes believing His words.
All in the SAME chapter of the bible below:
Deuteronomy 31v6 Be strong and of good courage, do not fear nor be afraid of them; for the Lord your God, He is the One who goes with you. He will not leave you nor forsake you.”
Deuteronomy 31v8 And the Lord, He is the One who goes before you. He will be with you, He will not leave you nor forsake you; do not fear nor be dismayed.”
Deuteronomy 31v17 Then My anger shall be aroused against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide My face from them, and they shall be devoured. And many evils and troubles shall befall them, so that they will say in that day, ‘Have not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us?’