Not By Works

[JohnW34]

You know you would understand scripture much better if you separated the ones pertaining to salvation from those pertaining to discipleship/walking in the Spirit and living as a new creation.

John 16:13-15
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

I have no problem understanding Jesus because I listen to Him and am His disciple. One step at a time.
Some things you shared in response to putting into action Jesus's words, suggests to me you have not done this.

There is a narrow gate and narrow path. There is no other way.
You cannot separate the parts of the gospel, because they form an eternal whole, that takes time and following to see.

Luke 6:45
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

Heb 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil

Trying to correct someone who know good from evil suggests error.

 

[Chris1975]

Good luck with this

Why don't you tell Paul, Or perhaps Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15
34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

 

[Chris1975]

I am awake to the righteousness of God, and I have salvation. I encourage you to admit that you are and always will be a sinner saved by God’s grace through faith.

You left out the second part of the verse. Because you know better.

 

[Lightskin]

You left out the second part of the verse. Because you know better.

Elaborate

 

[Chris1975]

Elaborate

1 Corinthians 15v34

 

[EleventhHour]

i think we all want universalism to be true really.

It seems to me, not about universalism it is about not wanting to extend grace to the believer ...that is the real tragedy.

 

[EleventhHour]

Good luck with this

I know....need more than luck I think.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

1 Corinthians 15v34

Yeah, if he'd meant "some OF YOU" then he would have ADDED the words "OF YOU" (like added words are PRESENT [together with the word "some ___ [OF THE PHARISEES; etc]"] in OTHER passages where that IS meant), but he didn't in this phrase. It's totally absent here... but you ADD them. (we covered that already, LOL)

 

[JohnW34]

So is it water baptism or spirit. It is one or the other it can’t be both

Both are true.

 

[Chris1975]

Yeah, if he'd meant "some OF YOU" then he would have ADDED the words "OF YOU" (like added words are PRESENT [together with the word "some ___ [OF THE PHARISEES; etc]"] in OTHER passages where that IS meant), but he didn't in this phrase. It's totally absent here... but you ADD them. (we covered that already, LOL)

The "Some" are those like you.

 

[PS]

yes no rapture debate here. just asking. and i my suspicision was right. there are two kinds of pre-tribbers. the OSAS dispensational kind and the partial rapture charismatic kind.

There I was thinking you were a clear logical thinker, but was wrong.

 

[JohnW34]

I am awake to the righteousness of God, and I have salvation. I encourage you to admit that you are and always will be a sinner saved by God’s grace through faith.

Col 3:12-14
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

Paul does not call the colossians sinners but "God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved."
You seem to not be speaking as Paul spoke. Is that not a problem?

 

[gb9]

1 Corinthians 15v34

Bible as a whole.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why don't you tell Paul, Or perhaps Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15
34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

All I have to do is go to God in humility knowing I am not perfect, confess the sins I know and have him expose the sins I do not know and continue to walk
if you think you do not sin that’s your first mistake

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So then if someone is sinning (practices it) they are not saved. Y/N ?

What did John say.

 

[JohnW34]

i think we all want universalism to be true really.

I would say we all want everything to be ok and nice.
But sin brings death and destroys everything. In Christ and His walk there is real hope.
We killed Jesus, and forums testify, those who claim to know Jesus often repeat this time and again.

Philippians 3:10-12
I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.

Jesus is everything, hope and the walk of life. Or is this just religion and words to some?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 John 3v9-10
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

So then if someone is sinning (practices it) they are not saved. Y/N ?

there I bolded it for you

I think the issue is The definition of practice sin

we may have differing views. We must take Gods view

 

[Dusty59]

To all who post before me. Amen,Amen and Amen

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Both are true.

Wrong

That’s like saying both physical and spiritual circumcision are required yet Col 2 days no. It is spiritual only. Just like it is spiritual baptism only as stated in Col 2
again eph 4. One lord one faith one baptism

 

[Chris1975]

All I have to do is go to God in humility knowing I am not perfect, confess the sins I know and have him expose the sins I do not know and continue to walk
if you think you do not sin that’s your first mistake

You seem to change your tune every other day of the week. You can be quoted as saying REPENTANCE IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU REPENTED WHEN YOU FIRST BELIEVED.

And then you type the above. So what is it? Which side of the fence are you leaning over today?