Can you know the date and time of Christ Return?

[pottersclay]

I've been studying this very topic for 3 weeks now. Here are my findings....hope it helps.

We must first look at the parable of the fig tree,

“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

In my studies the fig tree represents Israel. So we know that Israel is a time line. We know that Israel has been scattered throughout the world. So how and when does the fig tree begin to bloom again?

In 1948 Israel became a nation again. In one day just as it was spoken in prophecy. Never has any nation ever done this.

Now looking at the text again Jesus says " this generation shall not pass untill all these things take place.

So now the question is how long is a generation? Could it be 80 yrs from 1948 which gives us 2028?
If so we have 10 yrs left.

The day or hour could also be a common phrase used in that day about the watchmen looking for the new moon which begins the start of the Sabbath feast of attonement. Where watchmen would look for the slightest sliver of the new moon in the sky.
The watchmen were placed out there because no man knew the day or hour it would appear.

Still studying this much debated topic....hope this helps....God bless.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Noah knew. As it was in Noah's day will be that time. Jesus considered knowing the time of His visitation to be very important:

Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

This is about recognizing him while he was here, not about not knowing prior.
People from their studies throughout history have shown themselves to be a fool predicting the time of Jesus return, thus far 100% have been wrong. My study shows it could be tomorrow or even today, if not there is always the next day.

 

[bud62]

No man knows; is a present imperative. That mean that no man knows, not you, not me. No man knows, so anytime you read it; it is true regardless of when you read it. If I read it now, I can know that no man knows; if I read it again in a thousand years, I can know upon reading it that no man knows the statement is true until he comes then we will know because he will be here at the time. So the only time you will know the hour is hour of his arrival. It's a simple language construct similar to his statement that he is coming again. Until he actually returns and is here plan on it his coming again.

I don't think that anybody will every know the day or hour , But that was then . & it doesn't say that they want know the year . & when the time gets very close I do think they will know , within a year . I fell that it could be that close right now . GOD BLESS

 

[NotmebutHim]

Besides, if there was any way we could know the day and hour of Christ's return, then we wouldn't need to always "be on watch" as He commanded us. We could just relax and then start getting ready as the time approached. But we have to be watchful ALL the time.

Jesus even said as much when He mentioned the servant who begins to think that his master won't be returning any time soon and starts to behave badly in different ways, including mistreating his fellow servants.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I know it will be 2040 from my studies of the Word of God and the world around us.

Show us 2040 from scripture

 

[Tinkerbell725]

I've been studying this very topic for 3 weeks now. Here are my findings....hope it helps.

We must first look at the parable of the fig tree,

“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

In my studies the fig tree represents Israel. So we know that Israel is a time line. We know that Israel has been scattered throughout the world. So how and when does the fig tree begin to bloom again?

In 1948 Israel became a nation again. In one day just as it was spoken in prophecy. Never has any nation ever done this.

Now looking at the text again Jesus says " this generation shall not pass untill all these things take place.

So now the question is how long is a generation? Could it be 80 yrs from 1948 which gives us 2028?
If so we have 10 yrs left.

The day or hour could also be a common phrase used in that day about the watchmen looking for the new moon which begins the start of the Sabbath feast of attonement. Where watchmen would look for the slightest sliver of the new moon in the sky.
The watchmen were placed out there because no man knew the day or hour it would appear.

Still studying this much debated topic....hope this helps....God bless.

One generation in the Bible:

1. 40 years - Exodus

2. 70 - 80 years (psalm 90:10)

3. 100 years (Gen 15:16)

4. 120 years (Gen 6:3)

 

[Ruby123]

I don't know but in the last few months I have had a few dreams. The first one I was getting ready to get married and then I woke up. At first I thought God was telling me I was going to get married but then I realised it was about me being the bride of Christ.

The second one I was on the Titanic and it was beginning to sink and I heard myself say "oh oh, I know how this story ends" and it was like although I was on the Titanic I knew that it was in reference to Noah's Ark and the end.

The third dream was just the other day. I heard myself say ten years from now has passed and then it was like all these things started to happen so fast and I knew the rapture was about to take place any day after the ten years from now.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

Matthew 24:37‭-‬39 KJV


But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Hewillcome2040 said: I want to dispel this satanic usage of this verse in which it is used to say we CAN'T know.

What is so Satanic about not knowing the exact day and hour?

In my view, there is nothing satanic about NOT KNOWING the day and hour... but note, that is not what he said in the quote you grabbed of his ^ ... He said, "this satanic USAGE OF THIS VERSE in which IT IS USED TO SAY we CAN'T know," which is NOT what the "PERFECT indicative" of this word "know" MEANS (in Matt24:36 and Mk13:32). [I mentioned this in my Post #7]

It does not mean that, so we need to quit thinking it does and quit listening to people who say that's what it means. It is a WRONG USE of the verse [/these verses].

(That's what I believe his point was, there in that sentence ^ [quoted above])

 

[shittim]

In reference to the verse of "not knowing the day or hour", a recent teaching I was led to brought up how in the original language it is- "The hour that no man knows", with an explanation of that language being that in Jerusalem the priests had watchers positioned outside the city who would make haste to the temple when they saw the new moon, thus it was a "time no man knew" indicating it will be at a time of a new moon.

 

[shittim]

Even if it says we will not know the day or hour, that is still not "month or year" as He then goes on to tell us to "watch and wait" and that He is coming for those who are watching for Him.
best wishes

 

[Hewillcome2040]

IT is in MAT 24;36 GOD BLESS

No those verses in Matt and Mark are stated in the PERFECT Tense. That means they meant in a PRESENT context when they were stated. So by inferring that they mean we CANNOT know would not be a meaning derived from those verses.

 

[Ghoti2]

Wow! A whole lot of delusion.

 

[JESUSLOVESME98]

Maybe look at the source of a 2nd coming in the OT. Oh wait there isn't.
Damn

 

[JESUSLOVESME98]

How we know there will be a second coming?

 

[NotmebutHim]

How we know there will be a second coming?

Because Christ Himself said that He would be returning.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

No those verses in Matt and Mark are stated in the PERFECT Tense. […] So by inferring that they mean we CANNOT know would not be a meaning derived from those verses.

Correct.

Agreed.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

How we know there will be a second coming?

Because the pattern was provided showing a second coming is yet to happen.

After all why do you think Moses didn't enter the promised land? His pattern was to be evidence of the First Coming. Joshua as the Second Coming. Just as Joshua started off by blowing the 7 trumpets and knocking down the walls of Jericho, so will Jesus come during the Feast of Trumpets and knock down the walls of Spiritual Babylon.

 

[dodgingstones]

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Let me tell you what that verse says and what it doesn't say.

It doesn't say you CAN'T know.
It was said to specific people (the disciples)
It was said at a specific time (during the Olivet prophecy).
It shows that the Father is the one with the knowledge of the Day and Hour.

I want to dispel this satanic usage of this verse in which it is used to say we CAN'T know.

Now it says the Father is the one that knows. Who does the Father give His knowledge to and how? (think about that very hard for a moment).

God has set the course of redemption through the process of Faith (TRUST).

Who does God Trust?

Consider this verse:

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now consider the verse above where bolded. If the Lord says He is coming as a thief in the night upon those that will not know the hour in which He comes if they Don't watch. Therefore, reasoning would be that if your watching then you know when God is coming.

Isn't God going to give those of His the knowledge of the Hour? Consider further:

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Read that verse again until you get it - it say if the goodman knows the watch then he would watch.

But let's look at the real proof verses here:

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So here the disciples are in Jerusalem and awaiting Pentecost and the receipt of the Holy Spirit. They can't know the day or hour because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Only the Father can reveal the time and hour by means of His Spirit. Notice the context of the question they asked and the Answer to that question. They are effectively told that they would know the Time and Seasons in God's Power AFTER they receive the Holy Spirit.

Just because many are wrong about the times and hours, etc.. doesn't mean that it can't be known. Remember it says it would as it was in Noah's day. And Noah knew the time when the floods would come BEFORE they came.

Hope this helps.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Let me tell you what that verse says and what it doesn't say.

It doesn't say you CAN'T know.
It was said to specific people (the disciples)
It was said at a specific time (during the Olivet prophecy).
It shows that the Father is the one with the knowledge of the Day and Hour.

I want to dispel this satanic usage of this verse in which it is used to say we CAN'T know.

Now it says the Father is the one that knows. Who does the Father give His knowledge to and how? (think about that very hard for a moment).

God has set the course of redemption through the process of Faith (TRUST).

Who does God Trust?

Consider this verse:

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now consider the verse above where bolded. If the Lord says He is coming as a thief in the night upon those that will not know the hour in which He comes if they Don't watch. Therefore, reasoning would be that if your watching then you know when God is coming.

Isn't God going to give those of His the knowledge of the Hour? Consider further:

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Read that verse again until you get it - it say if the goodman knows the watch then he would watch.

But let's look at the real proof verses here:

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So here the disciples are in Jerusalem and awaiting Pentecost and the receipt of the Holy Spirit. They can't know the day or hour because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Only the Father can reveal the time and hour by means of His Spirit. Notice the context of the question they asked and the Answer to that question. They are effectively told that they would know the Time and Seasons in God's Power AFTER they receive the Holy Spirit.

Just because many are wrong about the times and hours, etc.. doesn't mean that it can't be known. Remember it says it would as it was in Noah's day. And Noah knew the time when the floods would come BEFORE they came.

Hope this helps.

It helps us know ur opinion, but it doesn't change the Truth that NO MAN CAN KNOW THE DAY OF THE RETURN OF CHRIST.

Still, we know ur opinion now. There have been a thousand or more such opinions posted here in the last 6 years.....

 

[oyster67]

How we know there will be a second coming?

I hope this is an attempt at strange humour, because there is not enough room on this page to print the entire OT and NT.