Not By Works
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NOW lets make sure you understand both of those verses.
ABIDES IN ME, is Born Again = SAVED, when the Holy Spirit first births your once DEAD human spirit, into ETERNAL LIFE the moment you FIRST GENUINELY BELIEVED.
Bears MUCH FRUIT, is what you do AFTER YOU ARE SAVED, and that is Produce SPIRITUAL FRUIT, a Lifestyle CHANGE in your NEW Spiritual Nature.
Galatians 5:22-26 (HCSB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit.
26 We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Those are not one time events, but a NEW NATURE of your ETERNALLY ALIVE HUMAN SPIRIT. In other words the ONGOING, dominant Characteristics of you Human Spirit, that was CHANGED, when you were Born Again, and are NOW producing YOUR FRUIT. AND AGAPE LOVE, that GOD given LOVE HE POURED INTO YOUR HEART, Rom. 5:5, which is the CHIEF FRUIT that your Human Spirit will Manifest.
Instead of the:
Galatians 5:20 (HCSB)
20 . . ., . . .sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
Which you have been manifesting ever sense you got here.
You pulled out ONE VERSE out of JOHN 15:10, THINKING it supported your position. You have to look at JOHN 14:15 FIRST, to get the Correct Interpretation.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, [That agapaō LOVE, - Gk. Present Tense - ONGOING, SELF SACRIFICIAL, Never Ending LOVE; that means YOU WERE SAVED, at the MOMENT it arrived in your Heart, Rom. 5:5.]
you will keep My commands. [That will keep, is MOTIVATED by agapaō LOVE FOR THE LORD, after YOU WERE SAVED. AND IF YOU REALLY WERE SAVED, you will strive to do it. It does not IMPLY PERFECTION, but the Ongoing Lifestyle of the Born Again Believer.]
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In general, the Catholic church is already apostate. Has been for centuries. But now, in this end of times, what remains of the church in the offshoots from the Catholic church even they are apostatizing, but in regard to an ear tickling perversion of grace, not works, like the Catholic church did. Both of which, in the end, do not equip a person to perform the works of faith that will be used as evidence to acquit them on the Day of Judgment.
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The only definitions of pisteuo I've given are the ones out of theVines," a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender", and a partial definition out of the Strong's,"pisteuo means NOT just to believe".
So back to my question. There's no work involved in your believe and recieve doctrine?
So back to my question. There's no work involved in your believe and recieve doctrine?
You seem to have missed the point.
You quoted 2 Peter 2:22 to make the famous once saved always saved suggestion that only unconverted 'sows' and 'dogs' go back to their mud and vomit. I showed you the Galatians went back to theirs. And the text clearly shows they were saved. Kind of takes the steam out of the osas argument that only unsaved, unconverted people go back to their old ways.
You quoted 2 Peter 2:22 to make the famous once saved always saved suggestion that only unconverted 'sows' and 'dogs' go back to their mud and vomit. I showed you the Galatians went back to theirs. And the text clearly shows they were saved. Kind of takes the steam out of the osas argument that only unsaved, unconverted people go back to their old ways.
A baby does not do any work to be born, neither does it do any work to grow, provided it feeds from the milk that is provided for it by the one who gave it life, and who feeds and succours it. Should that babe be lost to the one who gave it life, the babe in Christ is in mortal danger of its life. Otherwise, there is no work needed except to rest in the arms of Jesus.
its probably some other post. its not controversal for no reason
you are 64 and dcon is a marine you wanna try that?
i personally believe dcon wouldnt do anything. just because he uses colorful language and cals people some name on internet doesnt mean he is lacking in self-control. marines are usually highly discipline. dcon wouldnt do anything. just because he uses colorful language and cals people some name on internet doesnt mean he is lacking in self-control. marines are usually highly discipline.
you are 64 and dcon is a marine you wanna try that?
i personally believe dcon wouldnt do anything. just because he uses colorful language and cals people some name on internet doesnt mean he is lacking in self-control. marines are usually highly discipline. dcon wouldnt do anything. just because he uses colorful language and cals people some name on internet doesnt mean he is lacking in self-control. marines are usually highly discipline.
Works are necessary not because they continue to earn salvation but because they are the inseparable result of justifying faith. Your faith without works is no more the faith that justifies than the faith without works that the demons have is justifying faith.
The writer of Hebrews makes the point that works accompany salvation:
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. 10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. - Hebrews 6:9-10
While the lack of works signifies a field that in the end will be burned.
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. - Hebrews 6:7-8
But this common variant of once saved always saved says nothing has to accompany salvation and that you can be a barren field and not be burned in the end. In other words, once saved always saved claims Hebrews 6:7-12 doesn't really mean what it says.
The writer of Hebrews makes the point that works accompany salvation:
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. 10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. - Hebrews 6:9-10
While the lack of works signifies a field that in the end will be burned.
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. - Hebrews 6:7-8
But this common variant of once saved always saved says nothing has to accompany salvation and that you can be a barren field and not be burned in the end. In other words, once saved always saved claims Hebrews 6:7-12 doesn't really mean what it says.
