3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists

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7seasrekeyed

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night is not evil

there is something to say for the Catholic church not allowing the Bible to fall into the hands of their congregants if this is the type of utter nonsense that would ensue

my laptop is black

(backs away slowly from the evil laptop)

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fredoheaven

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It would seem He forms light as His presence .God is light. And he creates darkness to represent evil . The4th day he used the Sun and the moon .His glory had departed.
What constitute a day (evening and morning) is good, this is until the sixth day that God called it was very good.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 
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What constitute a day (evening and morning) is good, this is until the sixth day that God called it was very good.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
The very would represent the whole or complete .

On the third day good represented the separation between the good land as that which represents a blessing and the sea as that which represents a curse or no blessing the opposite. Again the separation and indication of mercy was called good. The sea does not represent good. It can only produce dead. Not the new creation. .. life..
 

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I make it my goal to ascribe to the scriptures the reforming authority.

Big difference between unconditional and unfailing love.

Hearing God so that a person can understand and therfore seek after Him is the first condition. As in all things he must do the first work .(cause and effect) Just and justifier.

As the father draws we can come. Of ones own volition no man could. Who or what would they turn to?

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.Romans 3:11
Calvinism is not Gospel oriented nor is TULIP.

God knows there are those who seek after Him. That is why we have the blessed message of this fact in the Book of John chapter 3 and particularly as pertains to verse 16.
 

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Darkness or night is used to represent evil. Darkness is not said to be good. Separating darkness from light is said to be good.

In the new heavens and earth His presence as the glory of the Lord again as in the first three days according to the new order will be the light.
Believe as you wish.
It is not scripture.
 

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Yes, you repeatedly invoke the harmonization factor and yet unconditional election does not harmonize with the Gospel. Therefore, the entire premise of TULIP fails due to that one factor.
I understand your objection to harmonizing the scriptures, that is the reason that you will never see the finished work of Christ;
 

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Calvinism is not Gospel oriented nor is TULIP.

God knows there are those who seek after Him. That is why we have the blessed message of this fact in the Book of John chapter 3 and particularly as pertains to verse 16.
You have already been explained by scripture, that no one would seek after him, until he regenerates them to be able to discern the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14, and Eph 2. Those who "beleiveth" are those who have been regenerated.
 

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You have already been explained by scripture, that no one would seek after him, until he regenerates them to be able to discern the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14, and Eph 2. Those who "beleiveth" are those who have been regenerated.
No one was regenerated in the OT, yet many sought after God. Today they were regenerated before the cross is ludicrous. If so, they would have been present with the Lord upon death instead of asleep in Abraham’s bosom.
 

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No one was regenerated in the OT, yet many sought after God. Today they were regenerated before the cross is ludicrous. If so, they would have been present with the Lord upon death instead of asleep in Abraham’s bosom.
Moses was regenerated with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which would give credence to many more as well. Isaiah 63:11, Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
 

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Moses was regenerated with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which would give credence to many more as well. Isaiah 63:11, Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
In the OT, the Holy Spirit would come and go from a man as God directed.

If OT saints were regenerated, made new creatures in Christ, why didn’t they go to heaven upon death? Why the need for Abraham’s bosom?
 

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You have already been explained by scripture, that no one would seek after him, until he regenerates them to be able to discern the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14, and Eph 2. Those who "beleiveth" are those who have been regenerated.
Incorrect. I have read false teachers attempt to sustain their false beliefs by misquoting scripture.
There is a difference.
Calvinism, and the TULIP formula are not in any way harmonizing with the Gospel. In fact, TULIP and Calvinism are antichrist, anti-christ, contrary to the purpose of Christ's birth and death on the cross. Calvinism is a cult. And those denominations that ascribe to TULIP are as well.
 

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I understand your objection to harmonizing the scriptures, that is the reason that you will never see the finished work of Christ;
I'm not at all surprised that you'd misrepresent what I actually posted.
Your priority is to throw barbs at Christians because you repeatedly avoid the hard questions the answers of which revoke TULIP.
And the dodge that is used, scriptures must harmonize, is ineffectual in throwing discerning people off the point of fact that the Book of John chapter 3 and verse 16 revokes unconditional election. No matter how often that which worship under the TULIP doctrine attempt to misrepresent God's word and the purpose of Christ, that scripture and chapter 3 in context destroy TULIP.

TULIP in a capsulized form tells those who hear of it that God is not only the author of evil, but predestined the fall in the garden in order that His will and predetermined doctrine of election as TULIP describes it, could proceed. And this also means that God predestined people to be born, die, and suffer Hell for eternity. All of it before God created anything at all.
TULIP honors Satan, not God.

TULIP cannot harmonize with the scriptures because TULIP is born of Satan, not of God.

Therefore, you may attempt to throw barbs at Christians and think we are damned because we are not subjects of that Hell rooted flower of deceit, however, the discerning Christian that reads God's many words that tell us the elect are actually those His Omniscience would know to hearken to the Good news prior to it being delivered as a new covenant on earth. This of course cannot mean it is because God creates people whom He would save and whom He would torture in Hell forever. It means that the Gospel that pertains to those who elect to hold faith in Christ are known by a Sovereign creator. Otherwise, if no one could freely come to Christ, there would have been no need for Christ to die on the cross as part of God's grace filled plan.

TULIP not only is not sustained by the Gospel, but it is contrary to God and His irrevocable grace. TULIP and Calvinism are grounded in the character of the enemy of truth.

So please, call me anything you wish, charge me as being whatever you conjure in your imagination. Because as you do this you show me what TULIP has predetermined you would become as you worship what harmonizes with the enemy of God. And if you are elderly as you claimed, your time is short. Don't die worshiping the Devil. Eternity is a long time to be wrong.

That's all I have to say to one that avoids the truth while seeking to insist Satanism is harmonic with God's actual message to the world.
 

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night is not evil

there is something to say for the Catholic church not allowing the Bible to fall into the hands of their congregants if this is the type of utter nonsense that would ensue

my laptop is black

(backs away slowly from the evil laptop)

they walk among us
It makes me wonder what denomination teaches this nonsense? It's a first for me. I've never heard anyone of any denomination, and I know a lot of people, who believe what we're being told about here.
My PC is black. Oh no! They're multiplying! :eek:
 
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You have already been explained by scripture, that no one would seek after him, until he regenerates them to be able to discern the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14, and Eph 2. Those who "beleiveth" are those who have been regenerated.
regeneration occurs AFTER salvation because no one has the Holy Spirit indwelling them without first having accepted Christ as their Savior (believing as per scripture...in reality and not mouth service only)
 
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It makes me wonder what denomination teaches this nonsense? It's a first for me. I've never heard anyone of any denomination, and I know a lot of people, who believe what we're being told about here.
My PC is black. Oh no! They're multiplying! :eek:
the more he posts, the more obscure his beliefs appear to be

perhaps he is the only one who is a member of whatever it is he is a member of

:unsure: :confused: :cautious:
 

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The very would represent the whole or complete .

On the third day good represented the separation between the good land as that which represents a blessing and the sea as that which represents a curse or no blessing the opposite. Again the separation and indication of mercy was called good. The sea does not represent good. It can only produce dead. Not the new creation. .. life..
And when completed it's good.
 

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In the OT, the Holy Spirit would come and go from a man as God directed.

If OT saints were regenerated, made new creatures in Christ, why didn’t they go to heaven upon death? Why the need for Abraham’s bosom?
Once you are born of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you do not become unborn.
 

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regeneration occurs AFTER salvation because no one has the Holy Spirit indwelling them without first having accepted Christ as their Savior (believing as per scripture...in reality and not mouth service only)
You have the cart before the horse. The natural man will not accept a spiritual savior, 1 Cor 2:14, until after he has been regenerated and given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Eph 2, and then he is able to discern the things of the Spirit.