Genesis 3rd & 4th days

[JamOn]

What would that look that, the 24 hours got no issue with that I am really not concern with length

DAY 2
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 4
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 3
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

 

[JamOn]

these are interesting also, 1:11 seems imo of speaking about forest area jungle etc, 2:5 seems of field area wide open like a desert hard plains of dry land. the herb yielding seed seems different than herb of the field and no mentioning of trees of the field or grass, the wording is perplexing in 2:5 if every plant is every plant then what is every herb, I assume herbs are plants to at least mostly

1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

 

[JamOn]

These seems clear of a time progression. first let the earth bring grass and seed, second then the earth brought forth grass and the herbs n trees yielded seed and the first was just so but the second mentioning of grass herb and tree was good

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

[Moses_Young]

I’ll probably get some flac but it’s ok hehe I’m just curious if others have notice this in genesis 1 if you read day three before day four (I posted a example of this below) the flow of the days is fluid.

what I mean is in day 2 the waters separated a firmament placed called heaven, reading day 4 lights placed in the firmament and the two greats lights placed to give light on earth reading day 1 earth void without form. Day 3 the waters under the firmament gathered together the once void without form earth becomes dry land earth the waters seas.

I know it’s possible with God to grow plants without light shining on a planet but why doesn’t genesis explain like there was no light to shine on earth the light of God supplied plants to grow I can completely believe that but as well i can completely believe God created a sun to allow vegetation plants to grow and seed from them produce other trees. it is perplexing to me. like I mentioned just curious as to the fluidness of the writings.

Huh? God created light on day 1. I don't follow what you are asking. Are you asking why God didn't create the sun until day 4? Probably to show that it is God who is sovereign, not any part of His creation.

Also, I'd be wary of anything associated with Hugh Ross. He disregards the bible, so I wouldn't be trusting him much (or at all).

 

[JamOn]

Huh? God created light on day 1. I don't follow what you are asking. Are you asking why God didn't create the sun until day 4? Probably to show that it is God who is sovereign, not any part of His creation.

No I’m not asking why God didn’t create the sun until day 4. You say probably are you not certain?

 

[Moses_Young]

No I’m not asking why God didn’t create the sun until day 4. You say probably are you not certain?

No. But unlike evolutionists who need to have the sun there to get their make-believe chemical reactions going to create life eventually, God made the light before He made the sun. Ultimately, everything we have comes from God. Having the sun on day 4 makes it harder for people to leave God out of the creation story.

 

[JamOn]

No. But unlike evolutionists who need to have the sun there to get their make-believe chemical reactions going to create life eventually, God made the light before He made the sun. Ultimately, everything we have comes from God. Having the sun on day 4 makes it harder for people to leave God out of the creation story.

Well evolutionist wouldn’t even consider the Bible, and God made many suns before sol sun, and I don’t think having the sol sun on day 4 makes it harder for people to leave God out of creation that doesn’t sound logical,, more than welcome to explain.

 

[JamOn]

Here’s a question for ya. God placed lights in the firmament also two lights the greater and the lesser,

then what are stars also?

1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

 

[John146]

Upon that flow you have to explain green plants without sun light?

Not if the days were literal 24 hours. Comparing Scripture to Scripture...

Exodus 20
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[JamOn]

Not if the days were literal 24 hours. Comparing Scripture to Scripture...

Exodus 20
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Hmm what does 24 hours have to do with plants growing without sunlight, could you explain, I’m not understanding the connection of the verses you posted and the question on sun light on plants to grow.

 

[JamOn]

Not if the days were literal 24 hours. Comparing Scripture to Scripture...

Exodus 20
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I know what mean fastward like lightspeed but since you posted Exodus what about these verses

16Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. 17But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.”

 

[John146]

Hmm what does 24 hours have to do with plants growing without sunlight, could you explain, I’m not understanding the connection of the verses you posted and the question on sun light on plants to grow.

Plants without sunlight? God gave the sunlight the very next day, 24 hours later. I think they’d be ok for that long. Did I misunderstand the question?

 

[JamOn]

Plants without sunlight? God gave the sunlight the very next day, 24 hours later. I think they’d be ok for that long. Did I misunderstand the question?

I can agree with that it happens today over night yet yom has several diffferent meanings and yes each of us are using one to justify our stance on time length, so how would we agree if you believe the days where 86,400 secs each and I think it’s unspecified.

• Period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness),
• General term for time
• Point of time
• Sunrise to sunset
• Sunset to next sunset
• A year (in the plural; I Sam 27:7; Ex 13:10, etc.)
• Time period of unspecified length.
• A long, but finite span of time - age - epoch - season.

 

[garee]

I’ll probably get some flac but it’s ok hehe I’m just curious if others have notice this in genesis 1 if you read day three before day four (I posted a example of this below) the flow of the days is fluid.

what I mean is in day 2 the waters separated a firmament placed called heaven, reading day 4 lights placed in the firmament and the two greats lights placed to give light on earth reading day 1 earth void without form. Day 3 the waters under the firmament gathered together the once void without form earth becomes dry land earth the waters seas.

I know it’s possible with God to grow plants without light shining on a planet but why doesn’t genesis explain like there was no light to shine on earth the light of God supplied plants to grow I can completely believe that but as well i can completely believe God created a sun to allow vegetation plants to grow and seed from them produce other trees. it is perplexing to me. like I mentioned just curious as to the fluidness of the writings

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

I would offer. Good represents the unseen approval of God's fingerprint .

The first firmament was the "good" dry land the soil that produce good fruit. Which is spoken of along the path of the parable of the Sower. Separating the salty water. . the Sea from the Sea .The Sea is as salt is used to represent judgment.. . . And he saw the separation was good.

And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1: 10

The second firmament revealing the vastness of the heaven switched on the new Solar source the temporal . First twinkling of the stars .

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1: 15- 18

 

[JamOn]

I would offer. Good represents the unseen approval of God's fingerprint .

The first firmament was the "good" dry land the soil that produce good fruit. Which is spoken of along the path of the parable of the Sower. Separating the salty water. . the Sea from the Sea .The Sea is as salt is used to represent judgment.. . . And he saw the separation was good.

And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1: 10

The second firmament revealing the vastness of the heaven switched on the new Solar source the temporal . First twinkling of the stars .

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1: 15- 18

Good post garee though one thing I’d have to mention on is the firmament that separated the waters the waters above and the waters below is where dry land appeared, i haven’t seen where the first firmament was the dry land can you explain on that a bit.

And what’s your thoughts on and He made the stars also for they are mentioned after lights in the firmament of heaven and greater and lessser lights.

do not stars give off light also?

 

[garee]

I can agree with that it happens today over night yet yom has several diffferent meanings and yes each of us are using one to justify our stance on time length, so how would we agree if you believe the days where 86,400 secs each and I think it’s unspecified.

• Period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness),
• General term for time
• Point of time
• Sunrise to sunset
• Sunset to next sunset
• A year (in the plural; I Sam 27:7; Ex 13:10, etc.)
• Time period of unspecified length.
• A long, but finite span of time - age - epoch - season.

Day 12 hours of light and Night 12 hours of darkness. Needed as a metaphor as a separation between evil and good. 12 seems to indicate the authority of God as to whatever is in view. Good contrasted with evil in all corrupted ages under the Sun..

Remember a literal day is as if it was a thousand years. It is not a literal thousand years .. Thousand to represent a unknown as to whatever is in view. We walk by faith , the unseen eternal.

 

[Dino246]

Hmm what does 24 hours have to do with plants growing without sunlight, could you explain, I’m not understanding the connection of the verses you posted and the question on sun light on plants to grow.

Plants don't require "sunlight"; they require "light", which God created on the first day.

 

[JamOn]

Plants don't require "sunlight"; they require "light", which God created on the first day.

plants around my house need sunlight

 

[Dino246]

plants around my house need sunlight

Growers know that what plants need is full-spectrum light, which may be supplied by special light fixtures and need not come directly from the sun. The light that God created on the first day would have been adequate for the needs of the plants created on the third day.

 

[garee]

Good post garee though one thing I’d have to mention on is the firmament that separated the waters the waters above and the waters below is where dry land appeared, i haven’t seen where the first firmament was the dry land can you explain on that a bit.

And what’s your thoughts on and He made the stars also for they are mentioned after lights in the firmament of heaven and greater and lesser lights.

do not stars give off light also?

I would think the corrosive sea covered the good land earth . The form was hidden at the bottom, It was separated from the sea judgement from that called fresh water . It would seem by raising mountains and forming valleys commanding the sea boundaries. And then it was watered with fresh or living water that came up from the good ground possibly to represent the gospel. Salt water would represent the judgement of God.

James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

I would think stars represent sons of God as believers that hold out the gospel of light. Christians reflect the demonstration of the Son of God, Jesus .Stars are a reflection of the moon, the moons light a reflection of the Sun the one true source. Of true glory. You could say three as one, A strand of three is not easily broken

Hebrews 11:11-13 King JamesThrough faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Christians as those who have passed through the Red Sea of judgment, on the good dry land . The good ground prepared for the good seed, Christ .

Hebrews 11:29 King James By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.