Genesis 3rd & 4th days

[JamOn]

I’ll probably get some flac but it’s ok hehe I’m just curious if others have notice this in genesis 1 if you read day three before day four (I posted a example of this below) the flow of the days is fluid.

what I mean is in day 2 the waters separated a firmament placed called heaven, reading day 4 lights placed in the firmament and the two greats lights placed to give light on earth reading day 1 earth void without form. Day 3 the waters under the firmament gathered together the once void without form earth becomes dry land earth the waters seas.

I know it’s possible with God to grow plants without light shining on a planet but why doesn’t genesis explain like there was no light to shine on earth the light of God supplied plants to grow I can completely believe that but as well i can completely believe God created a sun to allow vegetation plants to grow and seed from them produce other trees. it is perplexing to me. like I mentioned just curious as to the fluidness of the writings

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 

[RevelationMan]

I’ll probably get some flac but it’s ok hehe I’m just curious if others have notice this in genesis 1 if you read day three before day four (I posted a example of this below) the flow of the days is fluid.

what I mean is in day 2 the waters separated a firmament placed called heaven, reading day 4 lights placed in the firmament and the two greats lights placed to give light on earth reading day 1 earth void without form. Day 3 the waters under the firmament gathered together the once void without form earth becomes dry land earth the waters seas.

I know it’s possible with God to grow plants without light shining on a planet but why doesn’t genesis explain like there was no light to shine on earth the light of God supplied plants to grow I can completely believe that but as well i can completely believe God created a sun to allow vegetation plants to grow and seed from them produce other trees. it is perplexing to me. like I mentioned just curious as to the fluidness of the writings

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

check out the book "Creation and Time" by Hugh Ross. This book explains the difference in the Hebrew words used in Genesis and goes into detail how the earth was created. It also shows how the sun and moon were created before the plants.

 

[JamOn]

check out the book "Creation and Time" by Hugh Ross. This book explains the difference in the Hebrew words used in Genesis and goes into detail how the earth was created. It also shows how the sun and moon were created before the plants.

Thanks for the reply is there any quotes from the book or a online version?

As I mentioned it’s quite striking how day 4 seems to flow right after day 2 even the same firmament at the end of day 2 is spoken at the beginning of day 4 and the issue with plants needing sun light is kind of resolved, I know in the NT there are some little quarks. the OT is very old aka Torah whatever but I’m pretty sure at some point in time even that was re written probably a few times even papyrus doesn’t last forever. I won’t completely say somehow that got mixed up but just the sheer readings is puzzling

 

[RevelationMan]

Thanks for the reply is there any quotes from the book or a online version?

As I mentioned it’s quite striking how day 4 seems to flow right after day 2 even the same firmament at the end of day 2 is spoken at the beginning of day 4 and the issue with plants needing sun light is kind of resolved, I know in the NT there are some little quarks. the OT is very old aka Torah whatever but I’m pretty sure at some point in time even that was re written probably a few times even papyrus doesn’t last forever. I won’t completely say somehow that got mixed up but just the sheer readings is puzzling

there are a number videos on youtube of Hugh Ross

 

[JamOn]

I’m still watching the vid, I dig it thanks, I’ll probably watch it a few times comment on it.

though up to now he mentions Galaxies black holes Dark energy got me thinking on this verse.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

 

[JamOn]

About 40 mins in, I’ve seen a vid similar to what he is saying.

 

[RevelationMan]

yeah...I would say Hugh Ross is one of the leading Christian apologists today...love his scientific knowledge and biblical exegesis.

 

[RevelationMan]

 

[JamOn]

yeah...I would say Hugh Ross is one of the leading Christian apologists today...love his scientific knowledge and biblical exegesis.

Yea I agree like his presentation.

 

[JamOn]

I like this also, yom as he mentioned can be of four different meanings, the first the short time period. back before mechanical devices to tell time down to minutes and second wasn’t possible, there was a period of time that was kind of elusive to the ancient people. that is the period of first light and the light at the end of a day, it was hard to calculate, it’s about 18 minutes in the evening and morning where there is light but no visible sun shadow to gauge time on a sun dial at night they would count stars thus watches in the night. that period of time was reference to a biblical mile the time took some to walk from I can’t remember but it was from one place to the temple. the point I’m making is that was a technically a period of unknown time.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I’ll probably get some flac but it’s ok hehe I’m just curious if others have notice this in genesis 1 if you read day three before day four (I posted a example of this below) the flow of the days is fluid.

The only problem is that it is God Himself who determined the flow of the days and what would be created when (in a logical manner).

What we fail to do is harmonize the two chapters properly. This is how they need to be harmonized:

PART I
INTRODUCTION
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

DAY 1
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 2
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 3
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 4
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 5
1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

 

[JamOn]

Ahh I found it, called a sabbath day’s journey 2000 cubits, I stated wrong not a bible mile

Acts 1:12
Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, holding a Sabbath day's journey.

 

[Nehemiah6]

PART II

DAY 6
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth riveris Euphrates.
2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought themunto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

DAY 7
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[JamOn]

The only problem is that it is God Himself who determined the flow of the days and what would be created when (in a logical manner).

What we fail to do is harmonize the two chapters properly. This is how they need to be harmonized:

PART I
INTRODUCTION
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

DAY 1
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 2
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 3
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seedwas in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 4
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

DAY 5
1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]

in the beginning God created heaven and earth, hydrogen and helium the most abundant elements in the universe

I know I understand what your saying but I don’t think the days where literally 24 hours each day

 

[JamOn]

Upon that flow you have to explain green plants without sun light?

 

[JamOn]

Moving to gen 2 we see rain wasn’t needed to water the grass.

Gen 2
5Now no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, nor had any plant of the field sprouted; for the LORD God had not yet sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 6But springswelled up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

now the sun light issue

 

[JamOn]

My bust you had those verses in your statement yet the sun light issue with grass etc?

 

[JamOn]

No doubt i would like to hear the debate on that, grass without sun light

 

[JamOn]

Guess it’s not that easy

PART II

DAY 6
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth riveris Euphrates.
2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought themunto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. [Note: this is a 24 hour day]
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

DAY 7
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

though I did noticed something here you did in this post harmonized some of the verses, yet what I posted isn’t in harmony that’s interesting just saying I’m not being rude

 

[JamOn]

In your posts do have 5 verses shuffled from the two post and I am in agreement with that indeed