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How is it even possible you cannot see your massive hypocrisy in accusing others of duplicity?

You have been asked many times if you were a former CC member, and have ignored, and refused to answer.

I'll ask again. Have you ever been a member of CC before with a different screen name?

You can just say flat out that you haven't and the question forever goes away. But if you have, and you say you haven't, you have to live with that lie every day.
Does not matter...we all know and regardless, he still peddles a false gospel inspired by an entity other than God........
 
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This burns the eyes and sears the pride of worker bee perfectionists. On the other hand people who understand the fullness of God’s grace in Jesus Christ take comfort in His grace.
It is hilariously sad.....Paul went from...

1. The least of the apostles
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2. The least of the saints
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3. The number 1 chief sinner among men

The workers for, salvation losers and Pharisees peddle the exact opposite......

Paul was inspired, they on the other hand are delusionsal!
 
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How is it even possible you cannot see your massive hypocrisy in accusing others of duplicity?

You have been asked many times if you were a former CC member, and have ignored, and refused to answer.

I'll ask again. Have you ever been a member of CC before with a different screen name?

You can just say flat out that you haven't and the question forever goes away. But if you have, and you say you haven't, you have to live with that lie every day.
Thank you @PennEd

See how far they go to protect their works doctrine.
 
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I hold firm to the Gospel ... and as I have told you many times .... sin was dealt with at the cross completely.

What you have is an issue with Grace... take that up with God because it is His Grace you preach against.

Our deeds so not determine our destiny ...it is our faith.... to preach Grace is NOT to sanction sin but to settle one's trust in a Saviour...

Yes that is right a SAVIOUR!!!

To avoid the truth of grace..... from fear that it may give a person the right to sin, one must by necessity teach the opposite of grace which is law.

It is either grace or law.

Paul is very clear the law does not restrain sin.
They will go straight to the pit when their time is up because they absolutely do not trust Jesus by faith....the gospels they spew have no power to save a flea, much less a man and to be frank, it is nauseating!
 

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Titus 2:3-4
"3Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children"
Any chance you can give reference to the word love in this passage?

My understanding is that the root of the word love is Phileo, which is an emotional love.

The following is what I have in my Library. Not my words

Titus 2:4 is a command for Christian wives to love their husbands. The first part of the Greek word comes from PHILEO which refers to a love that has emotion. So the verse is telling Christian women to love their husbands with emotion, to like their husbands and care for them.

The wife’s first priority is her husband, and not her children. She is also to submit to him according to Eph. 5:22-24. Wanting to have sexual relations with her husband is another important way that a wife can show her husband that she loves him (1 Cor. 7:1-5). God also calls a wife to be a worker at home in Titus 2:5. This passage of scripture means that the home is the wife’s primary responsibility.

I have ESV strong, NKJV strongs but neither link through to the Greek.
 
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This is why people say OSAS = defending sin. You just said "what he stated is not false".... Disgusting.

I would like to point out: What EleventhHour stated here IS NOT the historical position of PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS the Reformed believe. [ @DoY ]
This is something NEW and WEIRD where you can sin and be ok as you just said "what he stated is not false". WOW!

Thats called ANTINOMIANISM. No good, no go. You're doing us all a DISSERVICE with this. Also you cant EVER again say that "you are twisting my words" or "we didnt say that" because you did now. THE CAT is out the bag. All the accusations were TRUE by your own admission. NOT A SMART MOVE.

I would like to highlight to everyone that this is NOT what the Reformed believe. Reformed also you could say calvinist or whatever you want to label it, im talking about the reformation, Luther, Calvin, you name the Reformer or Church that believed in eternal security in the past, NONE OF THEM believed in this type of lawless no transformation powerless Gospel.

The position they held was that: GOD Justifies a person, and then God also SANCTIFIES the person. Today the sanctification part seems to be "MAY OR MAY NOT occur" instead of WILL 100% occur cause God will do it:

Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Fruit WILL COME not MAYBE come.

Time for me to take a break from this forum. Its UNBELIEVABLE the things I read. Not only this but I had some guy defend a man CHEATING ON HIS WIFE on here today as well. RIP Christianity. This aint normal or moral, just some WEIRD stuff. I wont be on to respond to the probably RIDICILOUS replies defending the original statement (which would never be defended by any christian of times past) showing absolute disregard for God that not even many UNBELIEVERS would dare say. Have it your way, itching ears burger king. Enjoy the heresy folks! IM OUT!
The only heresy is arguing against eternal security and the dual application of sanctification. @EleventhHour was not defending a live as you please gospel, but rather the position of eternal security which you either believe or not! David committed a premeditated murder for the sake of sex, adultry and an accidental pregnancy from having sex with Bathsheba and URIAH even carried his own death senentence to the front lines....YET David remained a Saved child of God and paid the price PHYSICALLY for his sin, was chastened by GOD, and God only whips children NOT BASTARDS......so.....what fruit is born by those that or the ones that do no work

a. Have all their works burnt by fire yet are saved so as by fire

b. To the ones that WORK NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited to righteeousness.

For the record....I could care less what the REFORMED believe and or peddle....they do NOT SET the standard for biblical truth....the bible does.....and if anything, by the response of the false teacher....you empowered them by your stance against the point Eleventh was making....NOT THAT WE CAN SIN LIKE HELL because we are saved eternally, but that because we are saved eternally, sin will not cause the loss of salvation!!!
 
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The only heresy is arguing against eternal security and the dual application of sanctification. @EleventhHour was not defending a live as you please gospel, but rather the position if eternal security which you either believe or not! David committed a premeditated murder for the sake of sex, adultry and an accidental pregnancy from having sex with Bathsheba and URIAH even carried his own death senentence to the front lines....YET David remained a Saved child of God and paid the price PHYSICALLY for his sin, was chastened by GOD, and God only whips children NOT BASTARDS......so.....what fruit is born by those that or the ones that do no work

a. Have all their works burnt by fire yet are saved so as by fire

b. To the ones that WORK NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited to righteeousness.

For the record....I could care less what the REFORMED believe and or peddle....they do NOT SET the standard for biblical truth....the bible does.....and if anything, by the response of the false teacher....you empowered them by your stance against the point Eleventh was making....NOT THAT WE CAN SIN LIKE HELL because we are saved eternally, but that because we are saved eternally, sin will not cause the loss of salvation!!!

Thank you!!


Upon reading this most superlative and quintessentially excellent post............ I therefore conclude I am not a HereticalB***H after all:)
 
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Thank you!!

Upon reading this most superlative and quintessentially excellent post............ I therefore conclude I am not a HereticalB***H after all:)
I knew what you were implying.....and now RALPHIE-POO has been empowered by something you did not say or imply.....
 
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And another thing I do not defend sin.... I preach Grace... obviously some think Grace is a license to sin even on the OSAS side...... thus the faulty doctrine of perseverance of the saints.

Thank you St. Augustine ... when oh when will Catholicism become extinct!!!! sigh!!!
When Jesus burns the planet, decimates false religion and the peddlers of false gospels in his wrath!
 

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Thanks... my Italian genes have adapted and I have become a hardy Canadian!

Not so cold this week ...3 degrees celcius ...but being right on the Lake Ontario does add a wind chill.
It does indeed. When I'd walk to the shops in Toronto the winds off the lake would tear between the skyscrapers and penetrate to the bone. I never felt pain from the core of my bones out to my skin until I walked in Toronto in winter.
Have things gotten better for the homeless there? And the native population? It wasn't so good for them when I was there. :(
 
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Look up the words sarcasm and facetious!
You missed it today but our resident troll gave me and only me a pile of red x's and his name was "HereticalB ...Tch"... but I think the name was towards me ... so John was referring to that incident.

It has all been taken care of thankfully!!
 
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It does indeed. When I'd walk to the shops in Toronto the winds off the lake would tear between the skyscrapers and penetrate to the bone. I never felt pain from the core of my bones out to my skin until I walked in Toronto in winter.
Have things gotten better for the homeless there? And the native population? It wasn't so good for them when I was there. :(
Homelessness not so bad anymore, a great deal of government assistance in place, Toronto is a very well cared for, clean city... the wind on certain days ... yes one needs to bundle up, Agree.
 
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You missed it today but our resident troll gave me and only me a pile of red x's and his name was "HereticalB ...Tch"... but I think the name was towards me ... so John was referring to that incident.

It has all been taken care of thankfully!!
Wow......sorry....had I been awake I would have lit into him...good thing the mods got on it...Kudos to the Mods....
 
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Wow......sorry....had I been awake I would have lit into him...good thing the mods got on it...Kudos to the Mods....
I am sure you would have :)... a little unnerving but I survived ... yup the Gospel is offensive that is for sure.

Amen.... they were on it!!