Not By Works

[Chris1975]

1 Corinthians 8v3
3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

 

[Chris1975]

Galatians 4
9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ezekiel 18
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

You have failed to answer the question

how can one never know god, yet have been saved.

your not getting out of this,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now, your chance to answer the questions posed above.

Your question is invalid, non of those passages refute the fact, that a person who sin has never known god period

there is no ands ifs or buts, never means never.
period.

 

[Chris1975]

Your question is invalid, non of those passages refute the fact, that a person who sin has never known god period

there is no ands ifs or buts, never means never.
period.

In just the same way, God says to those who call Him Lord, Lord ---- I never knew you. NEVER MEANS NEVER. But we all know that God knows every-single-person-that-has-ever-lived-and-each-hair-on-their-heads. So once you understand this NEVER, then you will understand THAT EVER.

 

[Discern]

John 3: 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

your refusal to acknowledge John and continue to attack based on senseless questions is duly noted

These verses answer the questions.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In just the same way, God says to those who call Him Lord, Lord ---- I never knew you. NEVER MEANS NEVER. But we all know that God knows every-single-person-that-has-ever-lived-and-each-hair-on-their-heads. So once you understand this NEVER, then you will understand THAT EVER.

Yep

same thing

God never knew them (a personal relationship) they were never saved

just like any Person who lives in habitual sin has never known God, (a personal relationship)

neither person was saved.

knowledge is used in both passages in a relational way. Not knowledge of.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

These verses answer the questions.

Yes

a person who lived can’t have ever been a believer,

thus the question, can a believer who habitually Sins..

here is no such thing.

 

[Chris1975]

These verses answer the questions.

I have asked plain questions with mostly Y or N answers required. That fact that those persons addressed will not/ or cannot answer these is quite telling. Because to answer them will expose the folly of the entire house of cards that their doctrine has become. And they know it.

 

[Chris1975]

Yes

a person who lived can’t have ever been a believer,

thus the question, can a believer who habitually Sins..

here is no such thing.

Then in the same way those mentioned in Ezekiel 18 will be forgotten, those who turn from their righteousness. If their righteous works are forgotten (which included believing) then they are also in the same way forgotten.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then in the same way those mentioned in Ezekiel 18 will be forgotten, those who turn from their righteousness. If their righteous works are forgotten (which included believing) then they are also in the same way forgotten.

NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN GOD

WHOEVER IS BORN OF GOD CANT SIN BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BORN OF GOD

write these words 100 times so you have them in your head.

john Did not lie, he wrote inspired by the spirit, the verses you keep using does not counter what john Said, he was clear.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have asked plain questions with mostly Y or N answers required. That fact that those persons addressed will not/ or cannot answer these is quite telling. Because to answer them will expose the folly of the entire house of cards that their doctrine has become. And they know it.

We can’t answer the question because it is invalid

a believer can’t live in sin period, thus your question has no basis for which to answer,

to answer yes would be wrong, a believer can’t live in sin

to answer no would be wrong, a believer can’t live in sin.


end of discussion

 

[Chris1975]

We can’t answer the question because it is invalid

a believer can’t live in sin period, thus your question has no basis for which to answer,

to answer yes would be wrong, a believer can’t live in sin

to answer no would be wrong, a believer can’t live in sin.


end of discussion

Once again, you have flip flopped across the entire spectrum (saying that unbelief after having believed cannot lose you salvation). That living in sin cannot lose you salvation ---- to this above saying now you cannot live in sin at all.

 

[Chris1975]

Once again, you have flip flopped across the entire spectrum (saying that unbelief after having believed cannot lose you salvation). That living in sin cannot lose you salvation ---- to this above saying now you cannot live in sin at all.

See the problem with your doctrine. You have to get creative.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Once again, you have flip flopped across the entire spectrum (saying that unbelief after having believed cannot lose you salvation). That living in sin cannot lose you salvation ---- to this above saying now you cannot live in sin at all.

Once again

you have twisted my words in John 6

i never said living in sin cant lose my salvation, I have always maintained we can’t live in sin (johns words)

one more time

keep twisting my words and slandering me I will do something about it, I am sick of your games

 

[stillness]

AMEN......it is hilariously sad....these salvation losers that peddle obedience to remain saved LIE openly about what we say and in essence, by their own dogma, state that they are not saved or have lost it.........

Dont think that your better than orhers. Just sharing what God the Holy Spitit speaks to me, and your no better, even worse: you dont.even Love your enemies and speak against them ad if they are more mature than you and your jealous. Hopefully you will never hear from me again. That I may rest from this place.

 

[Chris1975]

Once again

you have twisted my words in John 6

i never said living in sin cant lose my salvation, I have always maintained we can’t live in sin (johns words)

one more time

keep twisting my words and slandering me I will do something about it, I am sick of your games

UNBELIEF IS SIN. You said on post 117993 that continuing in belief was NOT REQUIRED. For then you would thirst again. Therefore living in unbelief is living in sin.

Tell me, does a believer need to REPENT?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

See the problem with your doctrine. You have to get creative.

Nope

i just have to believe what John said and what Jesus said

jesus said whoever believes will never hunger, those are jesus words, not mine

john said whoever leaves in unbelief as an antichrist was never of us (saved). Those are johns words not mine

john said whoever lives in sin has never seen or known god those are johns words not mine

according to you, both Jesus and John lied,

I do not have to twist what they say, I take them at their word

 

[eternally-gratefull]

UNBELIEF IS SIN. You said on post 117993 that continuing in belief was NOT REQUIRED. For then you would thirst again. Therefore living in unbelief is living in sin.

Tell me, does a believer need to REPENT?

What I told you in post 117993 was based on what Jesus said, whoever believes will never thirst

so either Jesus lied, or someone who comes to true living faith will continue to believe forever, Ie, they never had a wish washy belief, they had true faith

once again. Lie about what I said I will report you, this is your last warning,

ps, a believer already repented, you can not referent once you already repented.

 

[Discern]

I have asked plain questions with mostly Y or N answers required. That fact that those persons addressed will not/ or cannot answer these is quite telling. Because to answer them will expose the folly of the entire house of cards that their doctrine has become. And they know it.

It’s like asking if a square is round will it roll? Christians fall, but God picks them up.