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BillG said:
I can't see the difference.

If I want to be like Jesus and walk in that way how is that not a personal surrender?
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its no good. you gotta be faithing your way bro. just faith it out. pisteuo your way through it
 
Pisteuo said:
Two specific aspects.

A daily surrendered life, " and" a life inspired by such surrender!

What that means, is all of those little daily decisions that we make are choices that reflect whether we are truly surrendering our lives to Him every day. It's not about perfection, it's about a genuine daily surrender, and if we truly see our lives as His and not ours anymore.

If our continually surrendered life bears fruit, we will be seen by the Father as Christ! ( That's being justified by Faith and faithing).

But if we have any expectations of something in return for the surrendered life, that not a true surrendered life. So there's the rub. This is not a business deal or some kind of vending machine kind of process.

So if you want to be like Christ, genuinely surrender your life to Him every day, all day, and want nothing in return!
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That I agree with.
But we must bear in mind that a lot of believers will do want something in return.
The knowledge that they are loved and accepted.
 
BillG said:
That I agree with.
But we must bear in mind that a lot of believers will do want something in return.
The knowledge that they are loved and accepted.
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That's the part Jesus is continually perfecting! A better surrender, a better life of Faithing! = I have no wants!
 
BillG said:
What about people who do not trust in what God has shown them to be true?
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Their sin will not be forgiven.
You can't be forgiven by something you don't trust in to forgive you.


BillG said:
Jesus said "God loves you as much as he loves me"
He prayed to the Father that they may know that.
Yet many I walk with do not get it, even when I show them the verse.
Why would that be?
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1. God has not shown them the truth of that yet. They've just heard man's testimony, not God's.
2. They have been shown the truth of that, but they refused it long ago. Now they are prevented from seeing what they once knew to be true. Their hearts have been hardened to unbelief.

BillG said:
What is the result?
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They don't have the forgiveness of God because they refused the forgiveness of God. They are lost.

BillG said:
Would God he cast them out because they do not believe to be true for them?
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Yes.
 
BillG said:
Is the act of faithing the same as wanting to be like Jesus?
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Wanting to be like Jesus is a result of 'faithing' (believing in what the evidence of the unseen has shown you to be true).

Faith is the evidence that God puts inside of you that shows you the gospel of Jesus is for real. The idea being that you'll then put your trust in what you now know to be true about Jesus by confessing your sin and receiving God's forgiveness for that sin, and receiving His righteousness in place of your unrighteousness via the Holy Spirit.

Ultimately, believing that what God says about heaven and hell, salvation and damnation will lead you out of your old life and cause you to seek to be like Jesus. It's the result of believing in what God has said about the Judgment to come and your decision to make peace with Him through Jesus Christ before that time comes.
 
Judges1318 said:
Their sin will not be forgiven.
You can't be forgiven by something you don't trust in to forgive you.



1. God has not shown them the truth of that yet. They've just heard man's testimony, not God's.
2. They have been shown the truth of that, but they refused it long ago. Now they are prevented from seeing what they once knew to be true. Their hearts have been hardened to unbelief.


They don't have the forgiveness of God because they refused the forgiveness of God. They are lost.


Yes.
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Jesus said that God loves us as much as he loves Jesus.

That is not man's testimony.
It's in the Bible.
I'm so shocked you have said the above.


How can someone who has been shown the truth reject and refuse it long ago before they even heard the truth?

You can't be forgiven by something you do not trust in?????
Was that the same for Peter.

Wow now I see your true colours.
 
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Pisteuo said:
Hey lightskinned brother how your Faith?

The answer to that question falls under the " personal relationship" with Christ that is just between Him and I.

Ask a better question!
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It’s good to see you brother. It’s been a while and I hope this message finds you well and rejoicing in the Lord.

I asked because you were talking about the subject matter but I respect the fact that you keep it between you and the Lord. Blessings always my friend.
 
Judges1318 said:
I'm not sure the fields of this forum are as fertile as I wished they were.
I may not hang around too much longer.
We'll see.
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What are you talking about? You and the others here have the same understanding, ( believe and recieve ) . You all belong together on this wide path. I come by once in a while to see if anyone has woke up yet.

So you stay here where you belong, I'll leave.
 
BillG said:
Stupid comment to make.
Where did I say in unbelievers would be saved when Jesus comes back?

Quote it or rescind it.
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You see in this doctrine.... a nano second of unbelief.....whatever that is... will condemn a person.

It is possible to
go in and out of being saved and some level of mental exertion is required at all times.
 
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