sabbath
- Thread starter freedomquamie
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
1) The New Covenant replaces the old Covenant when we come to Christ. This is when being blessed of Christ replaces being blessed by our work at the law. Being Righteous in Christ replaces being righteous by our work at the law. The Lamb of God replaces the lamb we sacrifice on the altar. The Blood of Christ replaces the blood of the bull and goat.
2) Almost every epistle.
Here's a small sample;
2 Corinthians 3:5-11
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
2) Almost every epistle.
Here's a small sample;
2 Corinthians 3:5-11
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
-
1
- Show all
-----------------------------
1) Where in the Scriptures does it say that the new covenant places the old? I state this respectfully, you are giving an opinion and you are not sure about it because according to Psalm 89:34 God clearly states the following... "my covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." In other words, God couldn't have replace the old covenant with a new covenant, right? Also, keep this in mind, the old covenant had nothing to do with making a man God's righteousness.
2nd Corinthians 3... What was written in stone was glorious, Yes or No? If Yes, what exceed it now? What makes them done away with?
Galatians 3... Please elaborate you view on this verse.
1) Where in the Scriptures does it say that the new covenant places the old? I state this respectfully, you are giving an opinion and you are not sure about it because according to Psalm 89:34 God clearly states the following... "my covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." In other words, God couldn't have replace the old covenant with a new covenant, right? Also, keep this in mind, the old covenant had nothing to do with making a man God's righteousness.
2nd Corinthians 3... What was written in stone was glorious, Yes or No? If Yes, what exceed it now? What makes them done away with?
Galatians 3... Please elaborate you view on this verse.
L
Argue with scripture.
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Romans 14:5-9 NASB
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Colossians 2:16-19 NASB
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Romans 14:5-9 NASB
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Colossians 2:16-19 NASB
----------------------------------------------------
The reason God says don't judge is because he will be the one that judges. Example... why judge the person who keeps the Sabbath and why judge the person who does not keep the Sabbath when God is the one that will judge. My question to you, will God's judgement go against the person who keeps the Sabbath or the person who does not keep the Sabbath?
The reason God says don't judge is because he will be the one that judges. Example... why judge the person who keeps the Sabbath and why judge the person who does not keep the Sabbath when God is the one that will judge. My question to you, will God's judgement go against the person who keeps the Sabbath or the person who does not keep the Sabbath?
Jeremiah 11:10 They have returned to the sins of their ancestors, who refused to listen to my words. They have followed other gods to serve them. Both Israel and Judah have broken the covenant I made with their ancestors.
Hosea 8:1 Put the trumpet to your lips! An eagle is over the house of the Lord because the people have broken my covenant and rebelled against my law.
Hosea 8:1 Put the trumpet to your lips! An eagle is over the house of the Lord because the people have broken my covenant and rebelled against my law.
-
1
- Show all
No; God doesn't say, "Don't judge". That would be taking the words out of context. In context, He says, "Don't judge, lest you be judged" and "Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgement."
God will judge everybody, whether they kept the Sabbath or not. Their condemnation depends on what they do with Jesus, not what they do with Sabbath.
God will judge everybody, whether they kept the Sabbath or not. Their condemnation depends on what they do with Jesus, not what they do with Sabbath.
-
1
- Show all
---------------------
Regarding Hosea 8: 1... Don't quote me from the NIV or the NLT, both are poor translation changing the meanings of verses. The other translations uses the phrase "transgressed my covenant" and so the the Hebrew. Broken my covenant and transgressed my covenant have two different meanings. Not to mention, when the book of the law was found in the time of king Josiah, he made a covenant before God to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and all the people stood to the covenant which concludes that the NIV and the NLT are incorrect translations, they interpret it to fit their view. Read 2nd Kings 22.
Regarding Jeremiah 11:10... the Hebrew word depicts it to mean to violate, frustrate, cause to cease, to make void, in other words, they wanted nothing to do with God which is why he put them out of his site bringing them to captivity. If the law of God was broken, meaning no longer in effect, why didn't Yeshua mention it to the Pharisees? If God's word is broken then it will contradict Isaiah 40:8 where it says, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever." The laws were deliberately ignored, pushed aside because they wanted nothing to do with God.
Regarding Hosea 8: 1... Don't quote me from the NIV or the NLT, both are poor translation changing the meanings of verses. The other translations uses the phrase "transgressed my covenant" and so the the Hebrew. Broken my covenant and transgressed my covenant have two different meanings. Not to mention, when the book of the law was found in the time of king Josiah, he made a covenant before God to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and all the people stood to the covenant which concludes that the NIV and the NLT are incorrect translations, they interpret it to fit their view. Read 2nd Kings 22.
Regarding Jeremiah 11:10... the Hebrew word depicts it to mean to violate, frustrate, cause to cease, to make void, in other words, they wanted nothing to do with God which is why he put them out of his site bringing them to captivity. If the law of God was broken, meaning no longer in effect, why didn't Yeshua mention it to the Pharisees? If God's word is broken then it will contradict Isaiah 40:8 where it says, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever." The laws were deliberately ignored, pushed aside because they wanted nothing to do with God.
And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath
Mark 2:27
It's a bit like the principle of showing your faith by your works, the latter is a consequence/ fruit of the former.
I love to keep Sabbath it's a blessing, but my salvation does not depend on it.
It also says we should not judge one another on holy days.
Mark 2:27
It's a bit like the principle of showing your faith by your works, the latter is a consequence/ fruit of the former.
I love to keep Sabbath it's a blessing, but my salvation does not depend on it.
It also says we should not judge one another on holy days.
