Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Is that your way of avoiding having to comment on these same branches being thrown into the fire?

I already responded to that

you refuse to respond to what Jesus said in john, yet continue to want me to answer you.

You have been here before have you not? I know 2 people who continued to do this, they demand people answer them, but REFUSE to acknowledge their questions.

who are you? We will find out. we always do!

 

[Chris1975]

the son makes you free

Did the son make you free or did he not?
Is it the sons fault if you do not take what hehas freed you from in ALL AREAS of your life, and have freedom in ALL AREAS?

of course not.

But it does nto stop you from being the son.

Your to focused on works man, You think your works will cause God to look highly on you and forgive your sins because of your works. You have another thing coming

How does the son make you free?

John told is in john 1: 12 by recieving him

why CAN'T you see it?

I see you didn't answer the 2 questions. Why is that?

 

[Chris1975]

I already responded to that

you refuse to respond to what Jesus said in john, yet continue to want me to answer you.

You have been here before have you not? I know 2 people who continued to do this, they demand people answer them, but REFUSE to acknowledge their questions.

who are you? We will find out. we always do!

Lol. I have been around a long time. You sound like a Mafia Don !!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John 6
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out.
- nothing wrong or untrue about that statement. Those who COME TO.
- but when you "DRAW BACK" Hebrews 10v38 you are in trouble.

Do you understand the difference between COME TO and DRAW BACK?

if we could be cast out because we draw back, Jesus would have told us this in John 6

the fact he did nt leave that as a possibility, PROVES that he would not consider that

Jesus said, wheover COMES will never be cast out

He did not say whoever comes and does nto draw back may not be cast out

See how we would have to change the meaning and even the words for your belief to be resented in the passage

You keep going to hebrews I am done wiht hebrews, and explained that passage to you

Why are you continually afraid to look at John 6?

you hurt yourself. not me, You just give me more confidence I am right by your refusal to discuss what Jesus said and HOW the people who heard him would interpret his words (hebrews was not written yet!)

 

[Chris1975]

I already responded to that

you refuse to respond to what Jesus said in john, yet continue to want me to answer you.

You have been here before have you not? I know 2 people who continued to do this, they demand people answer them, but REFUSE to acknowledge their questions.

who are you? We will find out. we always do!

No you didnt. I didnt see your response to the branches (that are supposedly being lifted - tenderly as you would imply) being thrown in the fire.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see you didn't answer the 2 questions. Why is that?

Because I did not have to. I tool you the the PART of the verse which shows us what the verse is saying

You want to focus on questions which does not relate to HOW we become sons in the first place. which is the most important question

The prodigal son did not act like the son, Yet all the same, he was a son.

how do we become sons?

The prodigal son because a son because the father and mother conceived and gave birth

We become sons because God makes us a son when we come to him (new birth)

 

[Chris1975]

if we could be cast out because we draw back, Jesus would have told us this in John 6

the fact he did nt leave that as a possibility, PROVES that he would not consider that

Jesus said, wheover COMES will never be cast out

He did not say whoever comes and does nto draw back may not be cast out

See how we would have to change the meaning and even the words for your belief to be resented in the passage

You keep going to hebrews I am done wiht hebrews, and explained that passage to you

Why are you continually afraid to look at John 6?

you hurt yourself. not me, You just give me more confidence I am right by your refusal to discuss what Jesus said and HOW the people who heard him would interpret his words (hebrews was not written yet!)

You misunderstand John 6, and because you misunderstand John 6, you then REJECT other scriptures which could bring the much needed clarification you need.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No you didnt. I didnt see your response to the branches (that are supposedly being lifted - tenderly as you would imply) being thrown in the fire.

I do not care if you saw them or not.

That does not mean I did not respond

You refuse to respond to what Jesus said in John 6.

Your not in a position to be calling people out when you REFUSE to do what you ask!

thats called being a hypocrite.

I do nt play those games man

if you want to play games. This is not the place.

 

[Chris1975]

Because I did not have to. I tool you the the PART of the verse which shows us what the verse is saying

You want to focus on questions which does not relate to HOW we become sons in the first place. which is the most important question

The prodigal son did not act like the son, Yet all the same, he was a son.

how do we become sons?

The prodigal son because a son because the father and mother conceived and gave birth

We become sons because God makes us a son when we come to him (new birth)

You don't answer those questions because you know you would have to concede on the point.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You misunderstand John 6, and because you misunderstand John 6, you then REJECT other scriptures which could bring the much needed clarification you need.

Show how I misunderstand john 6? By using JOHN 6 as a reference.

show me by using the words I wrote, and show how I misunderstand them

Otherwise, all your doing is making a blank statement with no evidence to back you claim

again, If you want to play games, go someplace else.

If you can not answer specific questions, do not expect people to do the same for you. You will get the same treatment.

 

[Chris1975]

I do not care if you saw them or not.

That does not mean I did not respond

You refuse to respond to what Jesus said in John 6.

Your not in a position to be calling people out when you REFUSE to do what you ask!

thats called being a hypocrite.

I do nt play those games man

if you want to play games. This is not the place.

So lots of unaddressed points you refuse to answer (Saul, Who is Son vs Slave) even though I have responded to your John 6. See why this becomes a joke. You dodge when things get tough.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You don't answer those questions because you know you would have to concede on the point.

Like you refuse to answer John 6?

How does one become a child?

Was the prodigal son a child? (see I just answered your questions with one statement) But you can;t see it can you? because YOU THINK you got me

 

[Chris1975]

Like you refuse to answer John 6?

How does one become a child?

Was the prodigal son a child? (see I just answered your questions with one statement) But you can;t see it can you? because YOU THINK you got me

Post Nr 118125

Then I summarised our opposing viewpoints as follows:

Yes, I don't disagree with anything you have just posted.
Where we diverge is that you are of the opinion that:
1) a One Time Belief is sufficient, whereas I believe that you are to Continually Believe.
2) a lifestyle of disobedience is no risk to your eternal security (because you cannot become unsaved), whereas my position is that you are to repent and put to death the misdeeds of the body.
3) you (possibly) believe that sin doesn't actually exist anymore, whereas I believe there is a war between the flesh and the Spirit, by which your Soul is faced with a choice daily to live according to the Spirit so as not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh
4) You believe apostasy (falling away) is not possible. I believe there is scriptural evidence that apostasy can occur.
5) You believe in eternal security NO MATTER WHAT someone does thereafter, I believe in Eternal Security to those who continue in the Faith.


To which you responded NOTHING.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So lots of unaddressed points you refuse to answer (Saul, Who is Son vs Slave) even though I have responded to your John 6. See why this becomes a joke. You dodge when things get tough.

Saul is not spoken of in John 6 so has no bearing

I answered who was a son, and showed how a son is made

Your the one dodging my friend,

You keep wanting to go off on tangents, You were stuck in hebrews I answered all your questions. Then you went to james 2, I answered your questions.

I wanted to discuss John 6, and all I get is a dodge.

the next move is yours

Discuss john 6, or admit, you can't

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Post Nr 118125

Then I summarised our opposing viewpoints as follows:

Yes, I don't disagree with anything you have just posted.
Where we diverge is that you are of the opinion that:
1) a One Time Belief is sufficient, whereas I believe that you are to Continually Believe.
2) a lifestyle of disobedience is no risk to your eternal security (because you cannot become unsaved), whereas my position is that you are to repent and put to death the misdeeds of the body.
3) you (possibly) believe that sin doesn't actually exist anymore, whereas I believe there is a war between the flesh and the Spirit, by which your Soul is faced with a choice daily to live according to the Spirit so as not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh
4) You believe apostasy (falling away) is not possible. I believe there is scriptural evidence that apostasy can occur.
5) You believe in eternal security NO MATTER WHAT someone does thereafter, I believe in Eternal Security to those who continue in the Faith.


To which you responded NOTHING.

This is not a response.

1. No reference to anything i said about john 6
2. No reference to what John 6 is discussing (context)
3. No reference to anything Jesus said in John 6

all you did was give a strawman argument as to why you refuse to discuss john 6, Which I am sorry, I will hold you to the same standard you demand from anyone else when you keep asking about passages

You do not get a free pass on this.. You never give a pass to anyone else, but DEMAND they respond to you. Thus you are REQUIRED to do the same otherwise, you are just another do as I say person, does not matter if you do it or not.

Why does John 6 scare you so much?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Post Nr 118125

Then I summarised our opposing viewpoints as follows:

Yes, I don't disagree with anything you have just posted.
Where we diverge is that you are of the opinion that:
1) a One Time Belief is sufficient, whereas I believe that you are to Continually Believe.
2) a lifestyle of disobedience is no risk to your eternal security (because you cannot become unsaved), whereas my position is that you are to repent and put to death the misdeeds of the body.
3) you (possibly) believe that sin doesn't actually exist anymore, whereas I believe there is a war between the flesh and the Spirit, by which your Soul is faced with a choice daily to live according to the Spirit so as not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh
4) You believe apostasy (falling away) is not possible. I believe there is scriptural evidence that apostasy can occur.
5) You believe in eternal security NO MATTER WHAT someone does thereafter, I believe in Eternal Security to those who continue in the Faith.


To which you responded NOTHING.

in response to your final statement, that I did not respond to this post.

Can you please respond to the passage

I am not going to respond if you are not going to respond to my comments.

I respond to yours. are you able to respond to me?

Al you just proved in what you just said is you do not understand john 6 at all.

Now your proven to be a liar by saying I did not respond. It is there for EVERYONE to see. All they have to do is click on the blue circle with up arrow inserted to take them to the post and see you are a liar!

 

[Chris1975]

Like you refuse to answer John 6?

How does one become a child?

Was the prodigal son a child? (see I just answered your questions with one statement) But you can;t see it can you? because YOU THINK you got me

Let me spell it out for you:

Romans 8v14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

In case you are confused by this, we look to the two preceding verses

Romans 8v12-13
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Which ties EXACTLY into answering the two questions I posed you in John 8v35

John 8v35
35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let me spell it out for you:

Romans 8v14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

In case you are confused by this, we look to the two preceding verses

Romans 8v12-13
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Which ties EXACTLY into answering the two questions I posed you in John 8v35

John 8v35
35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Yep I have never denied this now have I?

And how did they become a son of God

1 John 1: 12 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

why do you continue to cause the word of God to contradict itself?

why do you continue to INSIST we make ourselves children of God, (By insisting we must work of our own power to continue to be saved) then DENY IT?

 

[Chris1975]

in response to your final statement, that I did not respond to this post.


Now your proven to be a liar by saying I did not respond. It is there for EVERYONE to see. All they have to do is click on the blue circle with up arrow inserted to take them to the post and see you are a liar!

Read the very first sentence. Read it again in case you missed it. Heck, I will post it here again for you: "Yes, I don't disagree with anything you have just posted."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Read the very first sentence. Read it again in case you missed it. Heck, I will post it here again for you: "Yes, I don't disagree with anything you have just posted."

so remember this when you make a statement and people say they do not agree with anything you said, And you continue to get angry and insist they respond to you.

YOU have done this to me multiple times and quite a few others here as well, as wich I am sure they will agree, you have done)

I will remember this, and bring it up every time you do this

are we understood?