Nicene Creed of 326 AD

[Body_of_Light]

I was wanting to have a beter understanding of what the times where like at this point in history and the impact this had on the church. I was concerned that people in positions of power may have struggled with their positons of power in politics versus their responsibility to theology. So i was looking for some clarity and concerned that lessons learned were being used the right way in our government today and not the wrong way.

 

[Body_of_Light]

I am not questioning the creed. When following this creed and involved with politics I was just trying to express the importance to give all power and glory to Jesus Christ.

 

[Cleante]

I was wanting to have a beter understanding of what the times where like at this point in history and the impact this had on the church. I was concerned that people in positions of power may have struggled with their positons of power in politics versus their responsibility to theology. So i was looking for some clarity and concerned that lessons learned were being used the right way in our government today and not the wrong way.

To be fair, you'd have to look at the writings of the Fathers up to the Council of Nicea as well. The Council was not put together on the spot...

 

[livingbygrace]

I am not questioning the creed. When following this creed and involved with politics I was just trying to express the importance to give all power and glory to Jesus Christ.

I have been told that the Christianity of the fourth century was very different from the Christianity of the first century.
The first disciples were known as 'the way' and lived their lives in simple faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit
I have been told(that is all) that it was a much different Christianity by the fourth century.

 

[Cleante]

I have been told that the Christianity of the fourth century was very different from the Christianity of the first century.
The first disciples were known as 'the way' and lived their lives in simple faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit
I have been told(that is all) that it was a much different Christianity by the fourth century.

I believe it to be the same. How do you explain the writings of the Father's during this time, most notably the Didache?

 

[AnandaHya]

can anyone recommend good websites or sources to study early church history?

The Nicene Creed

Anglicans Online | The Nicene Creed

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Nicene Creed

 

[Scotth1960]

I believe it to be the same. How do you explain the writings of the

Father's during this time, most notably the Didache?

Dear friend, You know that truth doesn't change. Our perception and understanding of

truth may grow and improve; or we may, if we are not careful, fall into errors. But the

Church didn't fall into errors. The Church was founded by Christ to protect individual

Christians from falling into errors and heresies, and to teach them the Gospel truth. We

should not rely on our own understanding, but the faith of the holy fathers. We should

learn all we can about what the Greek Orthodox Church does teach. And pray we do not, in

any way, shape, or form, misrepresent to the world what is the true apostolic faith of

Jesus Christ. We must follow "the pattern of sound words". And come into communion

with God by communion with the saints and people of the Orthodox Church. (Yes, you

know that the Didache is among the earliest post-NT apostolic teaching). In Erie PA Scott

R. Harrington PS Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us.

 

[Scotth1960]

I have been told that the Christianity of the fourth century was very different

from the Christianity of the first century.


The first disciples were known as 'the way' and lived their lives in simple faith and a total reliance on the

Holy Spirit


I have been told(that is all) that it was a much different Christianity by the fourth century.

Dear livingbygrace, Who told you that? You should not believe everything you are told. If a person's

church doesn't have apostolic succession with the visible holy fathers of the Greek Orthodox Church, it

isn't going to be God-inspired, Holy-Spirit bearing Gospel truth from the true sense of the NT. It will be

scripture twisting (cf. 2 Peter 3:16). God save us from that. In Erie PA Scott H.

 

[Cleante]

can anyone recommend good websites or sources to study early church history?

The Nicene Creed

Anglicans Online | The Nicene Creed

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Nicene Creed

I'd recommend reading and studying the writings of the early Church fathers.

Accueil - Patristique.org If you are familiar with Greek and Latin then this website will be beneficial. Though, if you do not and you do not speak French, it will not.

Early Church Texts - Site Homepage This website is good because it has many of the old texts translated into English side-by-side with their native counterpart. Furthermore, it has tabs to other websites for events surrounding the councils and other things. This would be a good starting place.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Dear livingbygrace, Who told you that? You should not believe everything you are told. If a person's

church doesn't have apostolic succession with the visible holy fathers of the Greek Orthodox Church, it

isn't going to be God-inspired, Holy-Spirit bearing Gospel truth from the true sense of the NT. It will be

scripture twisting (cf. 2 Peter 3:16). God save us from that. In Erie PA Scott H.

This is elitist Orthodox propaganda. Succession became irrelevant when Trinity error was formulated and ritual replaced righteousness.

 

[Scotth1960]

This is elitist Orthodox propaganda. Succession became irrelevant when Trinity error was formulated and ritual replaced righteousness.

Of course Christ is always true to His word. He said His Church would be hated (John 15). No matter, His Church loves her enemies. There are some 30,000 enemies of the truth, all needing to return to Orthodoxy. As it is, as for me as a former member of one or two of those 30,0000 man-made denominations, I need help from God and His Church and I am in a mess on my own. In Erie PA Scott

 

[Consumed]

I'd recommend reading and studying the writings of the early Church fathers.

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have you notice that since then its been a never ending arguement, before then it was just Jesus

 

[Crazy4GODword]

of course, and there is an arguement with us and the Islam....

 

[Tigger2]

This is elitist Orthodox propaganda. Succession became irrelevant when Trinity error was formulated and ritual replaced righteousness.

AMEN!!! & AMEN!!!

 

[Scotth1960]

AMEN!!! & AMEN!!!

Then it must be there was no Church around until Martin Luther "reformed" things in 1517. Surely, Rome fell into error in 1054, and things needed fixed. But that doesn't mean there was no visible Church that didn't need reforming, because she kept the true faith. What about Christ's promise in Matthew 16:18? Does that mean anything to you? In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Martin Luther never meant to start a new church of his own, merely to fix the problems that happened in Roman Catholicism. It all comes down to papal jurisdiction and authority and Rome's refusal to rightly understand John 15:26. Take care.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then it must be there was no Church around until Martin Luther "reformed" things in 1517. Surely, Rome fell into error in 1054, and things needed fixed. But that doesn't mean there was no visible Church that didn't need reforming, because she kept the true faith. What about Christ's promise in Matthew 16:18? Does that mean anything to you? In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Martin Luther never meant to start a new church of his own, merely to fix the problems that happened in Roman Catholicism. It all comes down to papal jurisdiction and authority and Rome's refusal to rightly understand John 15:26. Take care.

Actually rome fell in the 300's, when she changed two of the major theological institutions, (which prior to this taught a literal interpretation of scripture) to teach an allegorical means of interpreting scripture. And closed the one which demanded to hold to a literal translation.

This allowed the roman church to mix pagan ritual and tradition into church theology, without causing a major contradiction in scripture. and allowed the roman culture (who were steeped in Paganism) to accept the new (church of state) in a peaceful way, for most of their pagan traditions, sacraments, and other aspects were still in tact.

 

[Cleante]

have you notice that since then its been a never ending arguement, before then it was just Jesus

Arguments (Gnostics) have existed during the time of Jesus as well... Your point being? A person asked for sources to study early church history and I provided.

 

[superdave5221]

Then it must be there was no Church around until Martin Luther "reformed" things in 1517. Surely, Rome fell into error in 1054, and things needed fixed. But that doesn't mean there was no visible Church that didn't need reforming, because she kept the true faith. What about Christ's promise in Matthew 16:18? Does that mean anything to you? In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Martin Luther never meant to start a new church of his own, merely to fix the problems that happened in Roman Catholicism. It all comes down to papal jurisdiction and authority and Rome's refusal to rightly understand John 15:26. Take care.

The true Church of Christ is not Greek Orthodox, or Catholic, or Baptist, or whatever. It is composed of people who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and King, and whose lives are being perfected by the power of the Holy Spirit. I am sure that there have been such people at all times, since the creation of the Church, IN SPITE of Roman Catholicism, and other corruptions of the Truth which have assailed the Church.

It was not Luther, or Calvin, or Zwingli, who caused a reformation from the excesses of the Roman Catholics, and others who "claim" apostolic succession" as authority. It was the vastly increased availability of the Holy Scriptures to the general public, (and there ability to read it), which allowed people everywhere, to gain access to the Truth, through Holy Spirit inspired reading of God's Word.

It is the Holy Scriptures, inspired by Holy Spirit, that are the final authority on all matters pertaining to God's Truth, not apostolic succession.

 

[stone]

Who believe D Bible promised Elijah most come an restore d faith that was 1ce delivered unto d saints?

 

[Scotth1960]

Actually rome fell in the 300's, when she changed two of the major theological institutions, (which prior to this taught a literal interpretation of scripture) to teach an allegorical means of interpreting scripture. And closed the one which demanded to hold to a literal translation.

This allowed the roman church to mix pagan ritual and tradition into church theology, without causing a major contradiction in scripture. and allowed the roman culture (who were steeped in Paganism) to accept the new (church of state) in a peaceful way, for most of their pagan traditions, sacraments, and other aspects were still in tact.

Actually, I don't believe Western Rome fell until 437 AD. Not in the 300s. In Erie PA Scott