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Of course holding fast indicates a believer! A believer believes. That's not a mystery.
But how does not holding fast and falling away indicate you didn't really believe to begin with? That's being read into Hebrews 3 through the once saved always saved presupposition that colors everything it sees in the Bible about this subject.
But how does not holding fast and falling away indicate you didn't really believe to begin with? That's being read into Hebrews 3 through the once saved always saved presupposition that colors everything it sees in the Bible about this subject.
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Most sentences I write contain Scripture. Genesis-Revelation. The Gospel of the Kingdom. The one Jesus preached. The one through the lens of which He spoke to the 7 churches. Apparently, He would never talk to you like that. Zero chance you would ever be vomited out of His mouth due to the spider's web you clothe yourself with. Unlike Ephesus, you could never have your lampstand removed! You have already overcome! And so God's Word to you falls on deaf ears, deaf like the cobra in Ps.58. No matter how skillfully we may preach to you, you will not heed.
Your sweet Jesus would never cast you on a bed of suffering, would He? Nor kill Ananias and Sapphira. Continuing through the Revelation churches, He doesn't say to you He knows your deeds and has not found them complete. Perhaps, unlike the few in Sardis, you have soiled your clothes so that you will not walk with Him in white; Perhaps you, too, are unworthy. (O, but this can't apply to you!) You don't have to obey His command to Philadelphia, "Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown." Impossible in your fantasy!
You, in the majority, you are rich! You have acquired wealth and do not need a thing. But He is standing at the door and knocking, still.
There is no fear of God before your eyes. You have taken away the key to knowledge. The Bible you use has more carve-outs than a piece of legislation moved from the House to the Senate. "Well, James was written to the Diaspora, so that's really not to us," "Jesus was talking mainly to the Pharisees, not so much to us," "Paul was talking to the Corinthians but the manifestations of the Spirit are not for us," "Well, the Old Covenant was to the Jews, so..", "The olive tree in Romans 11, that means something else." "Acts isn't for doctrine."
"If anyone takes away from this Book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this Book." Another warning false doctrine allows you to ignore. Can't happen to you! So you go on saying what doesn't apply, taking away from the Book. Foolishness.
Disciples of Jesus Christ open the Bible and the Holy Spirit applies it to today, such as what David said to Saul, "Out of the wicked comes wickedness." Yes. Good, down to earth definition. That's why Jesus said we couldn't go on in sin. You go on in them and pretend you are righteous contrary to what God says. And your incessant name calling belies your uncircumcised heart, when the covenant is circumcision, now, of the heart. Go check a Bible, don't check religion or with humans.
Everything Jesus taught is about what we do. Faith in Him brings about a life lived righteously - His righteousness lived out. We are buried with Him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too would live a new life. A life lived, not according to the sinful nature, but according to the Spirit. Humanly impossible. Possible with God. It's His Word. Christ suffered for us leaving us an example that we would follow in His steps: He committed no sins neither was deceit found in His mouth. And He was meek.
You think because 1 line is written in Hebrews that you are therefore holy. That would be hilarious if it weren't tragic. 82 verses in that one book alone are warnings to Spirit baptized believers... today. Stop hardening your heart through falsehood.
Between the 2 of us today, why is it only I that cannot lean on my own understanding and direct my own footsteps? (You know these are Scriptures, right?) Why do I have to wait upon Him all the day, but you get to continue holding on to your life? And why, when I speak of the Kingdom of God like this, in God's own Words, is it alien to you? Ah, a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all.
Unlike those who belong to Christ, you don't have to crucify the sinful nature, do you? Surely God will crush the heads of His enemies, the hairy crowns of those who go on in their sins. That's why we had to have our sins taken away, part of the meaning of which is that ungodliness gets removed from within us. The new life we come in to is the Sabbath-rest for the people of God. No longer 1 day out of 7, we have ceased from our own works as God did from His. Now, the Holy Spirit is to call the shots in our life and we have to diligently hearken unto the voice of the Lord our God because we live on every Word that proceeds out of His mouth. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self-control grow.
Jesus went to Lazarus when the Father said to go. Being under authority like that, as the centurion had said, is why He had the authority to raise Lazarus. The Christian church in this country, and most others, doesn't have the power to blow the fuzz off a peach because this Gospel of the Kingdom is not the one they have heard or accepted. And so the glory departed, again. (That's in Ezekiel.) A Christian publication stated long ago that the greatest tragedy in a person's life is to have lost the presence of God and never even noticed. Corporately, that's what occurred. Elvis left the building. The world beholds the church standing there naked (Laodicea) claiming to be clothed when Jesus said that anyone who had faith in Him would do what He was doing (speaking directly of His miracles.) You all claim you have faith in Him. But you can't do anything. Nevertheless, these signs follow them that believe. Rebuild Jesus' Church. Yeah, that's exactly what needs to happen and I won't go among these ruins pretending, acting like the building is fine. That's the definition of a hypocrite - an actor.
Isaiah 61:4 and following will occur. These ancient ruins will be rebuilt. Scripture cannot be broken.
I could continue to flow through the Scriptures because of the annointing but that's enough for now. Hopefully it's not pearls before the swine again because anyone who speaks in opposition or in hostility to, or unfavorable about the Spirit and what He says will not be forgiven, just like we won't be forgiven if we don't forgive others. Nevertheless, I continue to enjoy the Lord Jesus' blessing which comes from several on this site who reject my name as evil because of the Son of Man. So, thank you. Sincerely, it has
been a blessing.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
Your sweet Jesus would never cast you on a bed of suffering, would He? Nor kill Ananias and Sapphira. Continuing through the Revelation churches, He doesn't say to you He knows your deeds and has not found them complete. Perhaps, unlike the few in Sardis, you have soiled your clothes so that you will not walk with Him in white; Perhaps you, too, are unworthy. (O, but this can't apply to you!) You don't have to obey His command to Philadelphia, "Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown." Impossible in your fantasy!
You, in the majority, you are rich! You have acquired wealth and do not need a thing. But He is standing at the door and knocking, still.
There is no fear of God before your eyes. You have taken away the key to knowledge. The Bible you use has more carve-outs than a piece of legislation moved from the House to the Senate. "Well, James was written to the Diaspora, so that's really not to us," "Jesus was talking mainly to the Pharisees, not so much to us," "Paul was talking to the Corinthians but the manifestations of the Spirit are not for us," "Well, the Old Covenant was to the Jews, so..", "The olive tree in Romans 11, that means something else." "Acts isn't for doctrine."
"If anyone takes away from this Book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this Book." Another warning false doctrine allows you to ignore. Can't happen to you! So you go on saying what doesn't apply, taking away from the Book. Foolishness.
Disciples of Jesus Christ open the Bible and the Holy Spirit applies it to today, such as what David said to Saul, "Out of the wicked comes wickedness." Yes. Good, down to earth definition. That's why Jesus said we couldn't go on in sin. You go on in them and pretend you are righteous contrary to what God says. And your incessant name calling belies your uncircumcised heart, when the covenant is circumcision, now, of the heart. Go check a Bible, don't check religion or with humans.
Everything Jesus taught is about what we do. Faith in Him brings about a life lived righteously - His righteousness lived out. We are buried with Him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too would live a new life. A life lived, not according to the sinful nature, but according to the Spirit. Humanly impossible. Possible with God. It's His Word. Christ suffered for us leaving us an example that we would follow in His steps: He committed no sins neither was deceit found in His mouth. And He was meek.
You think because 1 line is written in Hebrews that you are therefore holy. That would be hilarious if it weren't tragic. 82 verses in that one book alone are warnings to Spirit baptized believers... today. Stop hardening your heart through falsehood.
Between the 2 of us today, why is it only I that cannot lean on my own understanding and direct my own footsteps? (You know these are Scriptures, right?) Why do I have to wait upon Him all the day, but you get to continue holding on to your life? And why, when I speak of the Kingdom of God like this, in God's own Words, is it alien to you? Ah, a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all.
Unlike those who belong to Christ, you don't have to crucify the sinful nature, do you? Surely God will crush the heads of His enemies, the hairy crowns of those who go on in their sins. That's why we had to have our sins taken away, part of the meaning of which is that ungodliness gets removed from within us. The new life we come in to is the Sabbath-rest for the people of God. No longer 1 day out of 7, we have ceased from our own works as God did from His. Now, the Holy Spirit is to call the shots in our life and we have to diligently hearken unto the voice of the Lord our God because we live on every Word that proceeds out of His mouth. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self-control grow.
Jesus went to Lazarus when the Father said to go. Being under authority like that, as the centurion had said, is why He had the authority to raise Lazarus. The Christian church in this country, and most others, doesn't have the power to blow the fuzz off a peach because this Gospel of the Kingdom is not the one they have heard or accepted. And so the glory departed, again. (That's in Ezekiel.) A Christian publication stated long ago that the greatest tragedy in a person's life is to have lost the presence of God and never even noticed. Corporately, that's what occurred. Elvis left the building. The world beholds the church standing there naked (Laodicea) claiming to be clothed when Jesus said that anyone who had faith in Him would do what He was doing (speaking directly of His miracles.) You all claim you have faith in Him. But you can't do anything. Nevertheless, these signs follow them that believe. Rebuild Jesus' Church. Yeah, that's exactly what needs to happen and I won't go among these ruins pretending, acting like the building is fine. That's the definition of a hypocrite - an actor.
Isaiah 61:4 and following will occur. These ancient ruins will be rebuilt. Scripture cannot be broken.
I could continue to flow through the Scriptures because of the annointing but that's enough for now. Hopefully it's not pearls before the swine again because anyone who speaks in opposition or in hostility to, or unfavorable about the Spirit and what He says will not be forgiven, just like we won't be forgiven if we don't forgive others. Nevertheless, I continue to enjoy the Lord Jesus' blessing which comes from several on this site who reject my name as evil because of the Son of Man. So, thank you. Sincerely, it has
been a blessing.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
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Okay, I like they way you raise them up to me...for what purpose to cause division.
Scripture in no way teaches that perserverance of the saint is proof of salvation.
You remind me of another poster who made subtle shifts in his argument...much like the "one must bear fruit within a certain time frame to prove you are saved...no proof, no salvation"
Once one is indoctrinated in some of Calvin's less biblical ideas it is very hard to break free of that view ...sadly I might add.
Scripture in no way teaches that perserverance of the saint is proof of salvation.
You remind me of another poster who made subtle shifts in his argument...much like the "one must bear fruit within a certain time frame to prove you are saved...no proof, no salvation"
Once one is indoctrinated in some of Calvin's less biblical ideas it is very hard to break free of that view ...sadly I might add.
I’m not being divisive, I just thought you might understand it the way someone else put it
It is an error to put a time frame on bearing fruit. I would never say such a silly thing
And Dcontroversal did not comment on Hebrews 3, sorry mistake. But Mailmandan did, and he is osas
And I reposted the quote from him already. You might have missed it.
It is an error to put a time frame on bearing fruit. I would never say such a silly thing
And Dcontroversal did not comment on Hebrews 3, sorry mistake. But Mailmandan did, and he is osas
And I reposted the quote from him already. You might have missed it.
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I read this entire long post ... twice I might .... reminded me of a line from Macbeth... 'full of sound and fury signifying nothing"
God does not lie... the born again believer is declared righteous, right with God, justified and sanctified ... I gather you have no understanding of the imputed righteousness of Christ.
God does not lie... the born again believer is declared righteous, right with God, justified and sanctified ... I gather you have no understanding of the imputed righteousness of Christ.
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