Mystery Babylon

PlainWord · Dec 15, 2019

Revelation 14:4
These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

The firstfruits were the first to be killed for their faith in Jesus. They aren't some future firstfruits because they wouldn't be first.

PlainWord · Dec 15, 2019

Nebuchadnezzer said:

You haven't heard of the 10 kings but Josephus names them all, 10 exactly:

In Wars of the Jews, Josephus mentions the fact that the Jewish rebels appointed ten generals/governors over Israel in A.D. 66, near the start of the Jewish revolt:

But as to those who had pursued after Cestius, when they were returned back to Jerusalem, they overbore some of those that favored the Romans by violence, and some them persuaded [by en-treaties] to join with them, and got together in great numbers in the temple, and appointed a great many generals for the war. 1. Joseph also, the son of Gorion, and 2. Ananus the high priest, were chosen as governors of all affairs within the city[. . . .] They also chose other generals for Idumea; 3. Jesus, the son of Sapphias, one of the high priests; and 4. Eleazar, the son of Ananias, the high priest; they also enjoined 5. Niger, the then governor of Idumea, who was of a family that belonged to Perea, beyond Jordan, and was thence called the Peraite, that he should be obedient to those fore-named commanders. Nor did they neglect the care of other parts of the country; but 6. Joseph the son of Simon was sent as general to Jericho, as was 7. Manasseh to Perea, and 8. John, the Esscue, to the toparchy of Thamna; Lydda was also added to his portion, and Joppa, and Emmaus. But 9. John, the son of Matthias, was made governor of the toparchies of Gophnitica and Acrabattene; as was 10. Josephus, the son of Matthias, of both the Galilees. Gamala also, which was the strongest city in those parts, was put under his command.

I believe that Revelation was written prior to the Jewish War, this means that all of these ten horns or ten generals having been appointed to office at the start of this war had not yet received their authority at the time in which Revelation was composed in fulfillment of Revelation 17:12: “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.” (For a compelling case for the dating of Revelation prior to the Jewish revolt see Before Jerusalem Fell by Kenneth Gentry.)

iamsoandso · Dec 15, 2019

PlainWord said:

You haven't heard of the 10 kings but Josephus names them all, 10 exactly:

In Wars of the Jews, Josephus mentions the fact that the Jewish rebels appointed ten generals/governors over Israel in A.D. 66, near the start of the Jewish revolt:

But as to those who had pursued after Cestius, when they were returned back to Jerusalem, they overbore some of those that favored the Romans by violence, and some them persuaded [by en-treaties] to join with them, and got together in great numbers in the temple, and appointed a great many generals for the war. 1. Joseph also, the son of Gorion, and 2. Ananus the high priest, were chosen as governors of all affairs within the city[. . . .] They also chose other generals for Idumea; 3. Jesus, the son of Sapphias, one of the high priests; and 4. Eleazar, the son of Ananias, the high priest; they also enjoined 5. Niger, the then governor of Idumea, who was of a family that belonged to Perea, beyond Jordan, and was thence called the Peraite, that he should be obedient to those fore-named commanders. Nor did they neglect the care of other parts of the country; but 6. Joseph the son of Simon was sent as general to Jericho, as was 7. Manasseh to Perea, and 8. John, the Esscue, to the toparchy of Thamna; Lydda was also added to his portion, and Joppa, and Emmaus. But 9. John, the son of Matthias, was made governor of the toparchies of Gophnitica and Acrabattene; as was 10. Josephus, the son of Matthias, of both the Galilees. Gamala also, which was the strongest city in those parts, was put under his command.

I believe that Revelation was written prior to the Jewish War, this means that all of these ten horns or ten generals having been appointed to office at the start of this war had not yet received their authority at the time in which Revelation was composed in fulfillment of Revelation 17:12: “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.” (For a compelling case for the dating of Revelation prior to the Jewish revolt see Before Jerusalem Fell by Kenneth Gentry.)

In Revelation 17:16 the ten horns hate the prostitute and burn her with fire,,do you think the ten kings and the ten horns are the same?

Deade · Dec 15, 2019

PlainWord said:

They are descendants of Jacob: 12,000 from each tribe. In the passage it actually identifies them as innocents, none of whom have known a woman. I believe they are innocent little ones, descendants of the 12 tribes who will be living at the time of the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, God will redeem a remnant who will then form the core population that will go into the millennium as citizens of the 1000 years Jesus rules His Kingdom on earth. So, they are not killed.

Revelation 14:5 says they are without fault, before the throne of God. Which is a symbolic representation: everything is before the throne of God.

We are given a reference to when this will happen. Right before the “Day of the Lord.” Joel 2:31, 32 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." See also: Matt. 24:29; Amos 8:9; Acts 2:20.

Rev. 7:1-4 “And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”

These are children or young adults, because they are virgins. It wouldn’t make sense to stop the seals unless God were saving flesh and blood humans. God could let them just die, like the rest of the saints; and let them become spirits upon Christ's return. These are younger people that God will allowed to start the millennial rule. They seem to have the Holy Spirit. That makes them exceptions of being changed into spirits at Christ's coming. They are to be placed into their tribes’ original lands for the start of the millennial rule. Remember, Ezekiel wrote after the ten northern tribes were long gone. In Ezekiel chapter 48 we are given the details where God places the 144,000 in the Promised land.

PlainWord said:

This means you are fully preterist. You have to twist the scriptures to make them fit you "all has happened" scenario. Good luck with that.

iamsoandso · Dec 15, 2019

iamsoandso said:

The ten horns/kings burn Babylon with fire,they and the beast hate the harlot,they make her desolate and naked Rev.17:16 (the ten generals from Josephus loose the war with Rome)...

Nebuchadnezzer · Dec 15, 2019

What is Mystery Babylon?
Before we answer this we have to understand what was Babylon?

Babylon was a the place/government/power/culture/religion... where God's people were taken, and held in captivity. God had to lead, freed and thus save his people out of Babylon.

What is Mystery Babylon? Mystery Babylon is another power/culture/government/religion/place that follows Babylon... where God's people are held in Captivity.

After the Jews crucified Jesus, did they (Judea) become like a Babylon? Did they become like a place that held God's people captive? Perhaps the answer is yes. So perhaps Judea 33AD - 73 AD does fit Mystery Babylon. Perhaps Judea 33AD - 73 AD became the first example of Mystery Babylon. I am not certain.

But does only Judea 33AD - 73 AD fit Mystery Babylon? No.
The Roman Catholic Church, the Church of England, and other state religions etc... also fit into Mystery Babylon.

What I think is the most important message of Revelation 17 and 18 is that God's people are still held captive in (Mystery) Babylon today. The Mystery is determining where and what is this Babylon today? God's people yesterday, today, and tomorrow have to be brought out (or saved out) of (Mystery) Babylon.

To say that Mystery Babylon, once existed but is no more, or to say that it is yet to exist, this is the bigger error.
I see Revelation as providing believers of all generation hints and clues on how to avoid the deceptions and the institutions of the great deceiver.

PlainWord said:

iamsoandso said:

iamsoandso · Dec 15, 2019

If the ten generals that Josephus named in his writings loose the war(which they did) then it does not match what is wrritten in the word of God because the ten horns/kings in his word don't get defeated by Babylon...

Nebuchadnezzer · Dec 16, 2019

iamsoandso said:

And how does, "the Beast once was, now is not, and yet will come", fit to 66 - 73AD roman/jewish war?

iamsoandso · Dec 17, 2019

Nebuchadnezzer said:

It received it's deadly wound and was in the pit when Revelation 17:8 was written and the earth said "let us make an image..." and set it back up in 1948.

Nebuchadnezzer · Dec 18, 2019

Nebuchadnezzer said:

This thread is like, "Jerusalem! No Rome!, No Jerusalem!, No Rome!..."

It is almost like the Bud Lite commercials of the 1980s, "Taste Great!, Less Filling!...

The reality is that Bud Lite "Tastes Great!" first, and then a little later it is "Less Filling".
Both are correct, but one comes before the other.
We can look at this crude example as being two dispensations.

So, can dispensationalism then be applied to Mystery Babylon and "the great city"?

If yes, then "the great city" was first Jerusalem. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD, and then a little while later "the great city" became Rome. Two dispensations.

Thoughts anyone?

Rondonmon · Dec 19, 2019

Lanolin said:

Its not Rome, Babylon proper, NYC, America, Jerusalem etc. etc. as a matter of fact the Harlot is not a place but a thing, Babylon is a place, buts it is all the whole world.

People seem to want to "Mandate" that a "Great City" anywhere or everywhere its mentioned has to be The Harlot even though the Great City is only one of FOUR DESCRIPTORS, in reality. In Rev. 17:18 the angel pointed John back to his VISION, which was only four verses long, from verse 3-6, and WHAT HE SAW !! He saw Mystery, {COMMA}, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots AND Abominations of the whole Earth. So not one descriptor but four, people choose to focus on one and run with it everywhere they see "GREAT CITY" and there were many great cities not one anyway.

A Harlot of old wore a Headband on her head to identify her to her prospective customers, to identify her to her clients. Likewise this Harlot has Four Descriptors to tell us who she is. Solve her NAME TAGS and we can figure out who she is, its really simple once we deduce see what they actually mean.

Mystery, after Shem killed Nimrod they took these Mystery Religions underground, they are secret societies/religions like the Masons etc. etc. plus they are false gods.

Babylon the Great was known for all of her False gods/religions. She was the Zenith of these things.

The Mother of Harlots, Semiramis, Nimrods mother/wife, gave birth to these false religions.

Abominations of the Earth, God sees the Worship of ANY god but him as an Abomination. Now add all the name tags up and you have the identity of WHO the Harlot is.

The Harlot = ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time.

The Harlot {False Religion} RIDES the [Gov] Beast. They were co-mingled for eons, every Beast Gov. had FALSE gods they served, thus the Harlot Rides the BEAST !!

Now it all fits, this way she can have the Blood of the Saints {Jewish Saints of old} AND the Martyrs of Christ Jesus on her hands. All False Religion covers ALL transgressions, no City can kill anyone, serving false gods can be the culprit of these deaths because if they only served the real, true God they would have known better. the RCC wasn't even around until almost 400 AD, so it can't have ALL the blood on its hands.

Those who think its a City are reading the signs wrong imho, those who think its America are also off kilter a err bit, those who think its the RCC or a Pope can't match up all the clues to those facts. It has to be TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, the Harlot RIDES the Beast !!

In Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast KILL OFF the Harlot, because guess what, the Beast wants to be worshiped as the ONLY god !! There is now no place for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism or any other god, thus they DESTROY the Harlot after being co-mingled for years and years. Islam being wiped out covers the majority if the 1/4 of all Mankind he kills off {2 Billion people} he also kills of the Remnant Church Saints and the Jews he can get at, the Jews who Flee to Petra are of course safe. The Kings rejoice when the Harlot is burned in Rev. 17, but in Rev. 18 when Babylon is burned they act very different, NOTICE THAT ? They CRY and LAMENT her demise, Babylon represents GOVERNMENT, and God uses the Beast and his Kings to judge the Harlot BUT......God Himself via the Seals, Trumpets and Vials judges Babylon {Whole World}.

Babylon = ALL FALSE Governance under Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth. Babylon the Head of Gold represents the Statue that is toppled when it is hit by the Rock {Jesus} in the feet !! Amen.

Babylon means confusion, who is more confused than men fighting against God at Armageddon ?

Rev. 16: 19 tells us who Babylon the Great is..........

19 And the great city was divided into three parts {Earthquake/Jesus lands on Mt. Zion}, and the cities of the nations fell {God defeats all the Nations at Armageddon}: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath {God calls those Nations He defeats Babylon the Great}.

So who did Jesus defeat ? Well the 6th Vial tells us.......we just have to follow bread crumbs/clues God left us.

Rev. 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the KINGS of the earth and of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So Babylon the Great who God defeats = the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD !!

Babylon = Satan's Dark Kingdom on Earth. Satan told Jesus in Luke ch. 4 that all these kingdoms were his to do whatsoever he willed with !! He wanted Jesus to bow down but our great Lord refused. Amen.

Babylon in Rev. 18 is the whole world getting destroyed by Gods Judgments. In verse 2 we see God says Babylon is Fallen and that it has become the Habitation of devils. Well that fits, Satan and his demons have been cast out of Heaven and Apollyon and his hordes of demons have been released from the bottomless pit via the First Woe. By the way, Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17, thus he has NO CROWNS at all in Rev. 17, whereas the Beasts of Rev. 12 {7 CROWNS on 7 Heads} and Rev. 13 {10 CROWNS on 10 Horns} both have Crowns !! Apollyon's Kingdom is not of this earth, hes the king of the bottomless pit. Hes of the SEVEN and he is an 8th.

In verse 4 we see God ask his people to come out of her lest she receive of Babylons {Worlds} plagues, and that is just God calling the Jews who repented to Flee Judea {see Matt. 24:15-17} and they seem to flee unto Petra.

Of course Babylon's Merchants are crying and lamenting, the WHOLE WORLD {Babylon} is being destroyed by God's Judgments. The Seals {Beast} kill 2 billion people, Satan is cast down to earth, the Trumps burn ALL the grasses and 1/3 of the trees, 1/3 of the sea is turned to blood and 1/3 of the fish/shrimp die, 1/3 of the ships/planes are destroyed, 1/3 of the fresh waters are poisoned, and the three Woes are up next, the 200 Million Angelic Army slays about 1.5 billion of the wicked people who took the Mar of the Best and the 3rd Woe, which is ALL 7 Vials, will wreck havoc also. So of course the Merchants are devastated by these events.

Verse 8 says her {Babylon/Worlds} Judgment is come in ONE DAY and then verse 10 says her Judgment is come in ONE HOUR and we know both actually means 42 Months of Judgments. The Day of the Lord lasts 42 months and we see in Rev. 17:12 that the Kings rule for ONE HOUR {42 Months} with the Beast. So its the whole World that is getting Judged by the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments over a 42 months period starting with the First Seal that releases the Anti-Christ to go forth Conquering as the Beast.

The Harlot RIDES the Beast...........until he kills her off, demands to be worshiped as the ONLY god, then God eventually Judges the Anti-Christ/Beast by casting him and the False Prophet into hell.

tanakh · Dec 19, 2019

The Bible uses many types and symbols to get the message across. Babylon is a symbol for an apostate religious and political system
The description used for end time Babylon comes mainly from passages relating from Jerusalem's apostasy as described by the Prophets such as Isaiah and Ezekiel. Solomans apostasy and material wealth is also included in the description used in Revelation which is taken from Chronicles. Most of the worlds Empires and political structures are Godless. Whichever one at the top of the heap in the last days is ''Babylon''. That Empire may not even exist at present so looking for it among the worlds capitals is pointless.

MattforJesus · Dec 19, 2019

Lanolin said:

In Daniel 7 he had a vision of 4 beasts, kingdoms, that were different than each other which are the 4 ways of people, and although all 4 kingdoms went by the 4 ways one of those ways was their chief mode of operation, and the other 3 were a minor operation to that whatever ratio that was.

Babylon, represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man after king Nebuchadnezzar's son blew the revelation of God given to them, which they rode on eagle's wings but then the eagle's wings were plucked.

Medo-Persia, represents physical cruelty.

Greece, represents human wisdom.

Roman Empire, represents pushing for power, territory.

The first 3 will never have physical dominion again, but their lives are prolonged for a time and a season, which means their ways are still on earth, and they show up at the beast kingdom along with the 4th beast the physical dominion of the beast kingdom.

Which in Daniel 2 king Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of a statue of a man representing the 4 kingdoms which the image does not fall until Jesus hits the feet, 10 toes of the kingdom, then the image falls.

So Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece have not fallen yet for their ways are still on earth.

The 4th beast the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts them down, which they become 10 horns which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, which they shall devour the whole earth, break it in pieces, and tread it down, and the man of sin, New Age Christ comes from the 10 horns.

But this is not the whole accomplishment of Italy, and the Catholic Church, but the Caucasian ruled nations, and nations taken over by Caucasians will come together and be the powerbase of the antichrist and will pull all nations together, and the Catholic Church will go along with it for they are their religious system which at that time they go by the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

The beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in it's entirety with no input from God, and all 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation there with no minor mode of operation.

Which the beast has 10 horns which is the physical dominion of the beast kingdom, the Roman Empire, with the ways of a lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, kingdom of man, the ways of a bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty to go against all people who oppose them, and the ways of a leopard, Greece, human wisdom.

Mystery Babylon is a unified religious system that include all the religions of the world together, all the false religions, with Christianity, and Islam, and Judaism included but interpreted according to the new age movement as well as all religions.

Which religion is evolution and they are still evolving but this time spiritually provided by the New Age Christ, and stop the preaching of the Gospel worldwide, and the belief in a personal God, and rebel against God which then He puts the world down.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts the world down, and is referred to as Babylon in spirit for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is about, but Babylon will never have physical dominion again, but she has not fallen yet for her ways are still on earth.

The Roman Empire with the spirit of Babylon which the nations will come together and try to establish peace on earth.

Mystery Babylon is a future event for the nations have not come together, and there is no unified religious system yet.

The woman unified religious system rides the beast the governmental aspect of it, and when the beast claims to be God to the world the 10 horns, leaders of the world hand their power over to the beast, and that is how he gets control of the world, and they shall hate the whore, the woman, unified religious system, and get rid of her for they have no need for her anymore for they believe their evolution, and greatness and spirituality comes from the New Age Christ, and not from their occult practices from the unified religious system that could not provide that evolutionary step.

And the young people are going to love when the new age movement is the unified religious system for they love super heroes, and the comics, and movies, and want to be somebody too in a world of greed and selfishness, and are more insecure than in the past in today's world and want to believe in it, which is an exaltation to evolve through nature to be greater and spiritual that is greater than money and material things.

For ask a child would they rather have a billion dollars, or be like superman, and they will say be like superman, especially when they believe they will evolve like the man Jesus to be an ascended master and avatar, which is how the new age movement interprets the Bible, and they are already being taught evolution in school, and science confirms it, and many believe in it.

Evolution is the culprit why the world rebels against God and the occult started to interpret all religions according to evolution and they can still evolve, and that is because the occult is all about trying to tap in to nature, and use the power of nature to gain as much power as possible.

The plan is to establish the new age movement in the world based on the occult, and evolution, which will pave the way to the beast kingdom in the future so they can evolve to be greater and spiritual.

Which the Bible warns the saints of the new age movement, and some people shall depart from the faith and follow them, and the time will come that the world will only want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

Which mystery Babylon could of not been in the past for it is the time that God will put down the world, but we see He has not put down the world yet, so it is in the future.

iamsoandso · Dec 19, 2019

In Revelation 18:23 the "light",,the "bride" and the "bridegroom"(Jesus) will be heard no more in Babylon "At All" (so at one point the bride,the groom and the light were in Babylon but will be removed)... https://biblehub.com/revelation/18-23.htm

In Jeremiah 33:11 the Lord will be present and will restore them as the former and the voice of the bride and bridegroom will be present(unlike Babylon),,, https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/33-11.htm

Lanolin · Dec 19, 2019

MattforJesus said:

In Daniel 7 he had a vision of 4 beasts, kingdoms, that were different than each other which are the 4 ways of people, and although all 4 kingdoms went by the 4 ways one of those ways was their chief mode of operation, and the other 3 were a minor operation to that whatever ratio that was.

Babylon, represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man after king Nebuchadnezzar's son blew the revelation of God given to them, which they rode on eagle's wings but then the eagle's wings were plucked.

Medo-Persia, represents physical cruelty.

Greece, represents human wisdom.

Roman Empire, represents pushing for power, territory.

The first 3 will never have physical dominion again, but their lives are prolonged for a time and a season, which means their ways are still on earth, and they show up at the beast kingdom along with the 4th beast the physical dominion of the beast kingdom.

Which in Daniel 2 king Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of a statue of a man representing the 4 kingdoms which the image does not fall until Jesus hits the feet, 10 toes of the kingdom, then the image falls.

So Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece have not fallen yet for their ways are still on earth.

The 4th beast the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts them down, which they become 10 horns which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, which they shall devour the whole earth, break it in pieces, and tread it down, and the man of sin, New Age Christ comes from the 10 horns.

But this is not the whole accomplishment of Italy, and the Catholic Church, but the Caucasian ruled nations, and nations taken over by Caucasians will come together and be the powerbase of the antichrist and will pull all nations together, and the Catholic Church will go along with it for they are their religious system which at that time they go by the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

The beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in it's entirety with no input from God, and all 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation there with no minor mode of operation.

Which the beast has 10 horns which is the physical dominion of the beast kingdom, the Roman Empire, with the ways of a lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, kingdom of man, the ways of a bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty to go against all people who oppose them, and the ways of a leopard, Greece, human wisdom.

Mystery Babylon is a unified religious system that include all the religions of the world together, all the false religions, with Christianity, and Islam, and Judaism included but interpreted according to the new age movement as well as all religions.

Which religion is evolution and they are still evolving but this time spiritually provided by the New Age Christ, and stop the preaching of the Gospel worldwide, and the belief in a personal God, and rebel against God which then He puts the world down.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts the world down, and is referred to as Babylon in spirit for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is about, but Babylon will never have physical dominion again, but she has not fallen yet for her ways are still on earth.

The Roman Empire with the spirit of Babylon which the nations will come together and try to establish peace on earth.

Mystery Babylon is a future event for the nations have not come together, and there is no unified religious system yet.

The woman unified religious system rides the beast the governmental aspect of it, and when the beast claims to be God to the world the 10 horns, leaders of the world hand their power over to the beast, and that is how he gets control of the world, and they shall hate the whore, the woman, unified religious system, and get rid of her for they have no need for her anymore for they believe their evolution, and greatness and spirituality comes from the New Age Christ, and not from their occult practices from the unified religious system that could not provide that evolutionary step.

And the young people are going to love when the new age movement is the unified religious system for they love super heroes, and the comics, and movies, and want to be somebody too in a world of greed and selfishness, and are more insecure than in the past in today's world and want to believe in it, which is an exaltation to evolve through nature to be greater and spiritual that is greater than money and material things.

For ask a child would they rather have a billion dollars, or be like superman, and they will say be like superman, especially when they believe they will evolve like the man Jesus to be an ascended master and avatar, which is how the new age movement interprets the Bible, and they are already being taught evolution in school, and science confirms it, and many believe in it.

Evolution is the culprit why the world rebels against God and the occult started to interpret all religions according to evolution and they can still evolve, and that is because the occult is all about trying to tap in to nature, and use the power of nature to gain as much power as possible.

The plan is to establish the new age movement in the world based on the occult, and evolution, which will pave the way to the beast kingdom in the future so they can evolve to be greater and spiritual.

Which the Bible warns the saints of the new age movement, and some people shall depart from the faith and follow them, and the time will come that the world will only want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

Which mystery Babylon could of not been in the past for it is the time that God will put down the world, but we see He has not put down the world yet, so it is in the future.

interesting.,.always wondered about the spate of comic book heroes and villains its like why do so many of them dress up as an animal?

batman, spiderman, antman, wolverine, ironman, catwoman, etc etc.

Theres no sheepman...

also it does seem 'white privelige' is true in this world. If you are caucasian you just get treated better. Most things are set up so that causcasians will always have power. When someone who is not causcasian gets into power, there is a huge outcry. And then theres colonialism. Hello, we're new here, can we just take your land and rule it?

No? well then lets fight over it and see who wins. ugh.

Rondonmon · Dec 19, 2019

iamsoandso said:

Like I said, Babylon is this evil world under Satan's rule. The Bride is in the world know, the light of the world imho is the Church, once we are Raprured to Heaven to marry the Lamb the above verse you cited would thus be fulfilled, so that was a good catch, as per my belief anyway. Rev. 18, is as I stated above, speaking about the 42 month Wrath of God on this wicked world.

iamsoandso · Dec 19, 2019

Rondonmon said:

Then after the rapture then there will no longer be in the earth "the bride"(BOC/Church),,,"the Groom"(Jesus) nor the light. So then after the rapture then no one will hear the word because no one will be here to preach it? That is in Revelation 18:23 the "Voice" of the groom and bride are no more heard,,so none will afterwards hear the word?

Rondonmon · Dec 19, 2019

iamsoandso said:

The Two-witnesses preach to the Jews, I suppose people {Gentiles} might hear them on TV, but Rev. 11:1-3 is about the Two-witnesses parameters imho, they are called to get the Jews to repent, just like Malachi 4:5-6 says.

An Angel preaches the Gospel to all others according to the scriptures.

Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

So they still get the Gospel, its just not by the Church.

iamsoandso · Dec 19, 2019

Rondonmon said:

The Two-witnesses preach to the Jews, I suppose people {Gentiles} might hear them on TV, but Rev. 11:1-3 is about the Two-witnesses parameters imho, they are called to get the Jews to repent, just like Malachi 4:5-6 says.

An Angel preaches the Gospel to all others according to the scriptures.

Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

So they still get the Gospel, its just not by the Church.

So the "Everlasting Gospel" is it the same as the Gospel we have today or will it be replaced with another?

iamsoandso · Dec 19, 2019

Galatians 1:8,,,,,, https://biblehub.com/galatians/1-8.htm Revelation 14:6 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+14:6&version=KJV same Gospel?

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