Gay Christian?

[VikkiKate89]

Are we forgetting that Hebrew didn't use their word for "gay sex" when Leviticus was written? They used a word more closely associated with rape.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Are we forgetting that Hebrew didn't use their word for "gay sex" when Leviticus was written? They used a word more closely associated with rape. And when Paul wrote Romans, he used a word that is more commonly used with the practice of the Romans using young male servants as sex play things, not consensual adult sex? And when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, as well as when the Levite visited the man in the book of Judges, the hosts of both houses seem more disgusted that the men of each city wanted to RAPE their guest simply b/c he was their guest, not b/c it was a man.

Simply put, when the Bible was translated, a WHOLE lot of things were taken out of the mix and translated poorly from Hebrew to Greek to Aramaic (New Testament) to Latin to German to English. Let's try less to condemn things that aren't properly spoken of in the Bible and condemn more, oh, I don't know, judging others before you have been judged in front of the glory of God. Saying a gay person isn't a Christian is saying you are not a Christian, b/c everyone sins. (Not that I believe homosexuality is a sin.) But I know I have sinned with my girlfriend and everyone sins probably everyday. Stop saying a person can't be a Christian b/c of the way they were born or the way nature shaped them. It's not right and Jesus would definitely not want us to judge people b/c of that.

Just because you say it is so, doens't make it so.


Please, provide some reasons for your statements.

 

[jimmydiggs]

How do you know God didn't give us people like Freud and other psychologists to help us better understand human nature?

How do I know he didn't give us freud? Oversimplifying maybe, but Freud claimed everyones problem was sex, and everyones solution was cocaine and removing bones in your nose.

Christianity says everyones problem is sin, and everyone solution is Christ.

They were created by God.

They also promote very unGodly things. "humans are basically good" "the end of all being is the happiness of man"

And as far as I can tell, Jesus isn't walking around right now on Earth, so slow your roll.

Makes no differnece whether he's here or not. God knows all that is logically knowable.

And, calling an entire occupation of people "children of Satan" is ridiculous and ignorant.

Read John Chapter 8.

44. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

There are VERY Christian psychologists who just don't happen to think "conversion therapy" is humane or safe.

Which is more important: The bible or Psychology?


The bible says it is a sin.

You calling them children of Satan is worse than ANYTHING they are doing. B/c by saying that, you are condemning them to eternity in Hell. That's far more monstrous than anything they are doing.

Read John Chapter 8.

44. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

[TheJesusfreak1990]

Jimmydiggs ur being very christian. *handclap for u* lol The love that ur showing is choking everyone to death!!! good job

 

[celeb]

Being GAY is sinful even before God. If it were not so, then why did God not create Adam and Adam rather He created Adam and Eve. This are the last days as the bible says. People will want to hear what their ears want to hear and feel it favours them. Gay-ism is a bad spirit and who ever has it in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and Saviour i implore you to rebuke it. When Sodom and Gomorah were being destroyed for their sins Homosexuality and heterosexuality was one of the many sins that were committed. Therefore am against anybody who condones and overlooks that.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmydiggs ur being very christian. *handclap for u* lol The love that ur showing is choking everyone to death!!! good job

If you were two steps from falling off the edge of a never-ending cliff, what would you expect me to do? Whisper?
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That's what you and others are doing when you try to change what the bible says, to make it more socially acceptable.

 

[FSUBoy966]

How do I know he didn't give us freud? Oversimplifying maybe, but Freud claimed everyones problem was sex, and everyones solution was cocaine and removing bones in your nose.

Christianity says everyones problem is sin, and everyone solution is Christ.




They also promote very unGodly things. "humans are basically good" "the end of all being is the happiness of man"



Makes no differnece whether he's here or not. God knows all that is logically knowable.

Read John Chapter 8.

Which is more important: The bible or Psychology? The bible says it is a sin. Read John Chapter 8.44. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Jimmy if you think ALL problems can be solved through prayer, and medicine/psychology/counseling are useless... Actually.. Carry on. You have a sadistic personality anyway.

I believe doctors and psychologists are usually VERY Godly. They dedicate their lives to helping people. You dedicate your life to attacking gay people on the internet.

That Bible verse has nothing to do with what was said, at all... I believe Jesus istalking about the men that are trying to get him to say something so they can arrest him... UnGodly men. Men who don't know the love and peace of God. I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't talking about people who dedicated their lives to the mental welfare of others. And mental welfare does NOT include strapping you to a chair and showing you naked pictures of men while shocking you with electricity. That's not the peace and love of God. That's human stupidity, ignorance and hatred. Three very unGodly things.

 

[Maddog]

Jimmy...[y]ou have a sadistic personality anyway.

You dedicate your life to attacking gay people on the internet.

Just an observation but, in this thread at least, you appear to be the one dishing out personal attacks and slanderous remarks.

And mental welfare does NOT include strapping you to a chair and showing you naked pictures of men while shocking you with electricity. That's not the peace and love of God. That's human stupidity, ignorance and hatred. Three very unGodly things.

Actually, that's simply an example of aversion therapy. This specific example may not be the best method, but the principle is sound.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmy if you think ALL problems can be solved through prayer

Depends on if it is actually a problem. I would say that praying for a hot rod car, isn't solving any problems. On the flip side, praying to God and asking for deliverance from lust (i have done this), is ultimately attempting to solve a problem. Of course, it requires action from the person praying as well.

Overall, yes, I think ALL problems can be solved by prayer, by asking God his will, and God will provide. Prayer is one of the foundations of Christian faith.

You know, "pray without ceasing".

, and medicine/psychology/counseling are useless... Actually.. Carry on.

1) We've not even mentioned medicine in this discussion from what I recall, so that was irrelevent to the subject at hand.

2) I don't think I made the blanket statement, "psychology and counseling are useless".


To further on #2, Counseling can be very helpful, if the counseled want it. There is only one true counselor though in that usage of the term, God. I never said psychology was useless, I asked which was more important. The bible, or psychology?

YouTube - Indictment 10: Psychology & Sociology Replacing Scripture <--- click

You have a sadistic personality anyway.

I don't get pleasure out of cruelty. Unless your dictionary says; "Cruelty: See God of the Bible"

I believe doctors and psychologists are usually VERY Godly.

I wouldn't say anyone is godly in a blanket statement, but that doctors certainly can and often do godly things.

Most psychologists that I've read from, spew forth humanism and evolutionary psychology. Both are not biblical.

Again, what's most important in your life; God's word or man's word?

They dedicate their lives to helping people.

This would have to be viewed on an individual basis, and I can assure you there are many doctors who are more concerned with filling the linings of their pockets than actually doing any good for people.

You dedicate your life to attacking gay people on the internet.

No, this is an accusation made out of emotionalism. It is also an accusation made without evidence.
If you had read post 288, you would know otherwise... I have quoted it below to help you.

To add on to this, I've only been attempting this thing you and I call walking with Christ for less than a year. Seriously so less than six months I would say. Prior to that, I dedicated my life to chasing sin. Much of my time on the internet then was spent playing stupid video games, dabbling with /b/, and lusting happily.

Now I spend much of my time on the internet, learning, reading, listening, watching, all sorts of bible-related things. Most of all, going to chat sites and finding "Church kids" who care none of God, and pushing them toward God. So far I've lead one to have a desire for God, and am working on a second.

I can't speak for anyone else on this matter. Why do I put up arguements? Simple, I don't like compromising the bible for man's sake.

It doesn't boost my self-esteem. It doesn't get any adrenaline rush. I do thank God I don't have to deal with the temptation of SSA. Not because as you put it, "they are dirty abominations"... no, not at all. I see it as one of the most difficult sinful struggles a Christian can ever have to deal with.

When I read/watch/hear the testimony of a Christian who has delt with, or are dealing with this. I feel a great sadness. Why? They have to deal with a very difficult and arduous task. Resisting the temptations, and overcoming them.

When I saw these two testimonies. I had a tear under my eye. Not a tear of sadness, a tear of joy. :') When I see them dealing with their sin, facing it, fighting it, resisting temptation I receive inspiration. Inspiration to deal with my sin, to face my sin, to fight my sin, to resist the temptations to sin.



YouTube - Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality <--- click
YouTube - Freedom from Homosexuality - Testimony <--- click

The above are two wonderful testimonies.


1 cor 10:13
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.







Fire, just because we don't agree with you. Doesn't automatically by association make us rude, hateful, ready to pounce upon you, or seeking to lynch. Please. Don't let worldly emotions get to you.

That Bible verse has nothing to do with what was said, at all... I believe Jesus istalking about the men that are trying to get him to say something so they can arrest him... UnGodly men. Men who don't know the love and peace of God. I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't talking about people who dedicated their lives to the mental welfare of others.

The passage has a lot to do with it. I'll let you re-read the passage and think about it. This time, try to leave the emotional baggage at the door.

31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, &#8220;If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.&#8221;

33 They answered him, &#8220;We are Abraham&#8217;s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?&#8221;
34 Jesus replied, &#8220;Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham&#8217;s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father&#8217;s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]&#8221;
39 &#8220;Abraham is our father,&#8221; they answered.
&#8220;If you were Abraham&#8217;s children,&#8221; said Jesus, &#8220;then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.&#8221;
&#8220;We are not illegitimate children,&#8221; they protested. &#8220;The only Father we have is God himself.&#8221; 42 Jesus said to them, &#8220;If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father&#8217;s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don&#8217;t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.&#8221;

The principle displayed should be very straight-forward.

And mental welfare does NOT include strapping you to a chair and showing you naked pictures of men while shocking you with electricity.

Who decides what is "mentally good"? If we as humans decide, then of course we're going to continue in our hatred of God and his laws.

That's not the peace and love of God.

Verses please.

That's human stupidity, ignorance and hatred. Three very unGodly things.

Where does the bible condemn stupidity and ignorance as unGodly? The only thing I can think of, is ignorance and stupidity in regards to God and his word. That would still be a bit of a stretch.






Please, calm down. Stop the raging emotions. Also, let's get back to the bible please.

Revelation 21:8 (New International Version, ©2011)

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars&#8212;they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.&#8221;

 

[JimM1228]

fsu out of love I urge you to open your Bible and study and pray. Jimmy thank you for staying true to the Bible and not backing down. we need more christians such as yourself that use the word to back of loving statements of concern for others. if we cannot fully rely on the innerant word of God, then our lives are pointless..

 

[FSUBoy966]

fsu out of love I urge you to open your Bible and study and pray. Jimmy thank you for staying true to the Bible and not backing down. we need more christians such as yourself that use the word to back of loving statements of concern for others. if we cannot fully rely on the innerant word of God, then our lives are pointless..

I do. But I also know the difference between blind faith in the English translation of the Bible and studying the sources that the Bible comes from. If you read older sources of the modern Bible, it is very interesting to note that the HEBREW version never once references consensual gay acts. Something people seem to be blissfully ignoring on this thread.

 

[Maddog]

I do. But I also know the difference between blind faith in the English translation of the Bible and studying the sources that the Bible comes from. If you read older sources of the modern Bible, it is very interesting to note that the HEBREW version never once references consensual gay acts. Something people seem to be blissfully ignoring on this thread.

And what of Christian Tradition?
What of Natural Law?

 

[jimmydiggs]

I do. But I also know the difference between blind faith in the English translation of the Bible and studying the sources that the Bible comes from. If you read older sources of the modern Bible, it is very interesting to note that the HEBREW version never once references consensual gay acts. Something people seem to be blissfully ignoring on this thread.

I would really appreciate it if you would back your claims, say... with some hebrew words or something of that nature.

Otherwise it appears to me that you are committing slander.




It's not wise to charge someone with a crime, and to do so without evidence/reason.

It's equally not wise to charge the bible with errors, and to do so without presenting evidence or reasons.

EDIT:

I asked you in a previous post, #302 to back up similar claims. Instead you overlooked it and proceded to go on an Ad Hominem advance.

 

[FSUBoy966]

I would really appreciate it if you would back your claims, say... with some hebrew words or something of that nature.

Otherwise it appears to me that you are committing slander.




It's not wise to charge someone with a crime, and to do so without evidence/reason.

It's equally not wise to charge the bible with errors, and to do so without presenting evidence or reasons.

EDIT:

I asked you in a previous post, #302 to back up similar claims. Instead you overlooked it and proceded to go on an Ad Hominem advance.

Thank God you're not a lawyer, b/c you can't "slander" an object (the Bible.) Nor can you slander something via written word. That's called libel. And I ignore you because you're abrasive and kind of on my nerves. I REALLY don't care what you think/say/feel about me. That's God's place. Not your's. Nor do I care about what you feel about my gay brother. I love him, as God does, and that's all that matters. Your hate speech is kind of pointless, thanks.

But since you say I'm committing "slander" LOL:

Abomination - towebah in Hebrew NEVER refers to homosexuality in the Bible.

A brief description of the anti-gay clobber passages in the Hebrew Scriptures

VERSES FROM THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) ON HOMOSEXUALITY

 

[FSUBoy966]

And what of Christian Tradition?
What of Natural Law?

I say screw Christian Tradition. It's not Biblical at all. Christian Tradition all comes from the Catholic Church, and as far as I can tell, most people on here aren't the biggest fans of them. Jesus never said "follow traditions of church structure." He was a rebel who went against the church of the time.

and natural law? If gays happen naturally, how is that not natural law? That's like saying left handedness or down autism isn't natural.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Thank God you're not a lawyer

I could never be a lawyer.

b/c you can't "slander" an object (the Bible.) Nor can you slander something via written word. That's called libel.

According to Websters online dictionary.

Definition of SLANDER

1
: the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation

2
: a false and defamatory oral statement about a person &#8212; compare libel

Slander - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary <--- click

Given that the English bible was translated from Hebrew, Koine Greek, and Aramaic, a translator would be neccesary. In charging the English bible with translation errors, you charge the translators as being either 1) unqualified, or 2) honestly mistaken in their translation. Up till this post of yours, you had presented no information. Being the human I am and having a limited knowledge, I have to presume innocence of the accused until proven guilty, and as you had not provided evidence, then it would appear to be a false charge. As per definition 1, it would fit correctly as slander.

I used the word as intended.

Ignore you because you're abrasive and kind of on my nerves.

How am I abraisive? Please do point it out, I will take note, and work to fix that. As far as getting on someones nerves goes, I'm not surprised. The bible says we are to be the salt of the earth, and as you and I know, salt irritates. Also, I would imagine Jesus got on the nerves of many a Pharisee and Sadducee.

I REALLY don't care what you think/say/feel about me.

I love you, and those around you. That's why I don't want a false teaching on sin. It could cost eternity.

That's God's place. Not your's. Nor do I care about what you feel about my gay brother.

I had not said anything directly about your gay brother. Now that you have opened this up for discussion though, I will proceed.


I can not back this up, and as such it is only a thought to be examined. As always, when someone confronts us with something being sinful or not, most often when we resist and say it is not a sin, instead of stopping to consider, it is because we have some kind of personal investment. This is exactly how I was with my lust. "Nuh uh, that's only when someone is married!"

I myself have two brothers, neither of which are at all concerned with God. In fact, quite the opposite. I often shy away from discussing the bible and God with them. Why? I fear that I will push them away from me, or that I will be excluded. I don't say anything to my parents for the same reason. I am curious if maybe a similar situation is occuring with you. You don't want to address your brother in regards to the bible's clear stance on homosexual acts. Yet, you understand that in order for that to jive with the bible, you have to change what the bible says. It's not uncommon, if you watch one of the testimonies I posted earlier, he speaks on how he did that himself as a homosexual.

I love him, as God does, and that's all that matters.

God loves, this is true, he also hates some things. I have quoted a portion of an Apologetics website below.

Does God hate anyone?


Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.

• Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
• Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
• Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
• Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
• Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable? They should. God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. Why? Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God. God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense. Why?....

[paragraph inbetween]


The sobering fact is that God is so holy and righteous that He hates the sinner (Psalm 5:5; Lev. 20:23; Prov. 6:16-19; Hos. 9:15). Some say that we should say that God only hates the sin but loves the sinner. But, the above scriptures speak contrary to that. But it is also true that He is love (1 John 4:8). It is better to accept the love of God found in Jesus than to reject it and suffer His wrath.

Your hate speech is kind of pointless, thanks.

If what I have said is hate speech, I suggest you give someone else your bible, and join the Bhuddists. To you it may be pointless, to me and apparently God's word as recorded in the bible, it's not so pointless.

But since you say I'm committing "slander" LOL:

Read what I put earlier in this post.

Abomination - towebah in Hebrew NEVER refers to homosexuality in the Bible.

A brief description of the anti-gay clobber passages in the Hebrew Scriptures

VERSES FROM THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) ON HOMOSEXUALITY

Being that they all make some of the same arguements, I will address the important ones here.

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with..." KJV - Online Bible Study <--- click for levi 18:22

Tow`ebah - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - King James Version <-- click for translated word for Abomination

The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 08441
Original Word Word Origin
hb[wt act part of (08581)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tow`ebah TWOT - 2530a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
to-ay-baw' Noun Feminine

Definition
a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable
in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages)
in ethical sense (of wickedness etc)


King James Word Usage - Total: 117
abomination 113, abominable thing 2, abominable 2

There are also NT passages dealing with Homosexuality.

1. 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,1 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
2. Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Christianity and Homosexuality | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click for more

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall..." KJV - Online Bible Study <--- see 1 cor 6:9-10


For the portion, "Nor abusers of themselves with mankind", the translated word is quoted below.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 733
Original Word Word Origin
ajrsenokoivthß from (730) and (2845)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Arsenokoites None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace Noun Masculine

Definition
one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual


King James Word Usage - Total: 2
abuser of (one's) self with mankind 1, defile (one's) self with mankind 1

Arsenokoites - New Testament Greek Lexicon - King James Version <--- click to see for yourself

The Romans passage is a bit difficult for me, as it is a combination of words instead of one word to get to the point of the passage.

The consistancy however of the various translations we have, which were done at different times, by different people, with different manuscripts. It appears to me the conistancy appeals to authenticity.



Some other issues your websites brought up, are answered on CARM. I have quoted a couple below.

That the sin of Sodom was actually the sin of inhospitality.
This is a common error made by supporters of homosexuality. The problem in this explanation does not account for the offering of Lott's daughter to the men outside the home, a sinful act indeed, but one that was rejected by the men outside who desired to have relations with the two angels in Lot's home. Gen. 19:5 says, "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' Those men wanted to have sexual relations with the angels who appeared also as males. Does it make sense to claim that God destroyed two cities because the inhabitants weren't nice to visitors? If that were the case, then shouldn't God destroy every household that is rude to guests? Gen. 18:20 says that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was "exceedingly grave." Not being hospitable to someone has never been considered an exceedingly grave sin, especially in the Bible. But, going against God's created order in violation of his command to fill and multiply the earth in the act of homosexuality, is an exceedingly grave sin. In fact, we know that it is exceedingly grave because in Romans we read about the judgment of God upon the homosexuals in that he gives them over to the depravity of their hearts and minds. This is a serious judgment of God upon the sinner because it means that the sinner will not become convicted of his or her sins and will not then repent. Without repentance there is no salvation and without salvation there is damnation. Therefore, the argument that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were not hospitable carries no validity.



If you want to say homosexuality is wrong based on the O.T. laws, then you must still uphold all of the laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
The Old Testament laws are categorized in three groups: the civil, the priestly, and the moral. The civil laws must be understood in the context of a theocracy. Though the Jewish nation in the Old Testament was often headed by a king, it was a theocratic system with the Scriptures as a guide to the nation. Those laws that fall under this category are not applicable today because we are not under a theocracy.
The priestly laws dealing with the Levitical and Aaronic priesthoods were representative of the future and true High Priest Jesus, who offered Himself as a sacrifice on the cross. Since Jesus fulfilled the priestly laws, they are no longer necessary to be followed and are not now applicable.
The moral laws, on the other hand, are not abolished, because the moral laws are based upon the character of God. Since God's holy character does not change, the moral laws do not change either. Therefore, the moral laws are still in effect.
In the New Testament we do not see a reestablishment of the civil or priestly laws. But we do see a reestablishment of the moral law. This is why we see New Testament condemnation of homosexuality as a sin but not with the associated death penalty.

Christianity and Homosexuality | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click

I hope I didn't miss anything. I have included other additional sources that address the issue.

The Bible and Homosexuality <--- click
Apologetics Press - Does the Bible Approve of Homosexuality? <--- click
Stand to Reason: What was the Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah? <--- click
Stand to Reason: Paul, Romans, & Homosexuality <--- click
Stand to Reason: Homosexuality: Know the Truth and Speak It With Compassion <--- click
Stand to Reason Blog: The Bible on Homosexuality (Video) <-- video
Stand to Reason: Video Commentary - Did Jesus Condemn Homosexuality? <--- click (audio)

 

[jimmydiggs]

I say screw Christian Tradition. It's not Biblical at all. Christian Tradition all comes from the Catholic Church, and as far as I can tell, most people on here aren't the biggest fans of them. Jesus never said "follow traditions of church structure." He was a rebel who went against the church of the time.

Given that I stick to Sola Scriptura, this for the most part I would agree. However, Christian Tradition would have to be biblical, otherwise it'd just be tradition.

and natural law? If gays happen naturally, how is that not natural law? That's like saying left handedness or down autism isn't natural.

IF is they key word here. However, that doesn't pose a problem. If that is the case, then it would be a result of the fall of man. Although, you still haven't gotten around what I think MadDog is intending to state, I'm sure he can back himself up, but I would like to point something out. Just because people are born with a deficiency, or a charachteristic (left hand:me! ) doesn't equte the intended outcome. I think both you and I would recognize that God probably doesn't intend for people to be born with mental and physical deficiencies, but maybe he does. I wouldn't be the judge of that.


This is cliche, but I do think God had intentions when making Adam and Eve, and leaving out their friend Steve.


Something else to consider, if homosexuality is strictly biological, and nothing else, we may face similar issues down the road with things like pedophilia and rape. What if we find that pedophilia is strictly genetic, along with the desire to rape? Does that now become what is natural? Is it now moral?

 

[Maddog]

I say screw Christian Tradition. It's not Biblical at all.

Not biblical? Even though it is only through Tradition that we know which books are part of the biblical canon? Even though the Bible nowhere tells us to discard all tradition (traditions of men maybe, but this surely leaves room for there being God-inspired Tradition)? Is this not what St Paul means in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 - 'Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.'

Christian Tradition all comes from the Catholic Church

I hope there are no Orthodox reading this. They might take offence at you crediting the entirety of Christian Tradition to the Catholics.

And that's not to mention the rest of the Christian world who at least accept some Tradition. The Trinity? The Divinity of Christ? Yes, one can see these truths reflected in Scripture, but they are hardly explicit. And as already mentioned, without Tradition we wouldn't even know which books were supposed to be in the Bible anyway.

and as far as I can tell, most people on here aren't the biggest fans of them.

You mean that the conservative Evangelicals that comprise most of this site don't like Catholicism? Who'd have thought it? /sarcasm

But seriously, that's really not saying much at all. I'd hazard a guess that most on here believe that homosexuality is disordered, but that doesn't convince you, does it?

and natural law? If gays happen naturally, how is that not natural law? That's like saying left handedness or down autism isn't natural.

Jimmy covered the gist of what I would say. If you're in any doubt though, no autism is not natural, neither are any other physical or mental disabilities. They are deviatons from what is normal or natural or what God intended. When we talk about Natural Law, we do not mean that anything we observe in nature = natural. What we mean is we look at something and ask ''what is its intended purpose''? We can usually deduce most things via the use of our God-given faculty of reason, but if we struggle, then we can always turn to Sacred Tradition (of which Sacred Scripture is a part).

 

[Duggar]

You can't be a TRUE follower Of Christ and call yourself gay. If you are gay, and are a 'Christian' and you think it's fine to be gay and be a Christian...you are wrong. Christian literally means: Follower of Christ. You can't follow God when you've surrendered to darkness. Simple as that.

 

[Duggar]

(Surrendered to darkness meaning...the Devil, and His ways). It's either God or the Devil. You can't serve both.