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Judges1318

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posthuman said:
the church is deficient in people who desire power? :unsure:
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The church is all talk, no power, and no reality. All words.
Thanks in big part to the cancer of 'Cessationism' which has been teaching the church since the Reformation that the power of the Spirit in supernatural gifts doesn't exist anymore, and so, few in the church believe they can have the power and reality of a miraculous gift of the Spirit, for, surely you won't walk in a gift you do not believe exists. Thanks a lot, Calvin!
 
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@Discern how about this one??? My bible says clearly BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES the work of faith in US....

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Yep, that's what I'm saying.
You have to continue to believe in order to continue to have eternal life in the Son. That's what the Bible says. No need to complicate it with over-thought doctrines of men that end up leading us away from that simple truth and make the plain words of the Bible not really mean what they say.
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Discern

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dcontroversal said:
@Discern how about this one??? My bible says clearly BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES the work of faith in US....
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I have made my position clear. I do not believe we earn, maintain, or keep secure our salvation. Almost every post where I have addressed the issue. I do not agree with Judges position.
 
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Discern said:
I have made my position clear. I do not believe we earn, maintain, or keep secure our salvation. Almost every post where I have addressed the issue. I do not agree with Judges position.
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Listen...this whole discourse between us was clear...You defended Judges as a brother......and MY point has been HE is NOT a brother to those that believe in eternal security....He is a deceiver that is peddling false gospels and YOU sir have misrepresented me on numerous times in this thread, have argued against the truth an EVEN falsely accused me of PICKING my NAME which I did not do....NO honesty and NO apology..........

it is OK man.......whatever.....!!!
 
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Discern said:
I do not agree with these posts. Neither would the majority of nosas advocates. I would not have agreed with them when I was osas. I am not interested in attacking Judges the person.
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You still do not get it...........I am not attack HIM, but the deceit HE is peddling........JUST as JESUS, JOHN, PAUL, JOHN, PETER, the prophets of OLD........and You are still not grasping that BY a MAN's words JESUS SAID...the WORDS he peddles are NOT OF GOD!
 
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Discern

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dcontroversal said:
Listen...this whole discourse between us was clear...You defended Judges as a brother......and MY point has been HE is NOT a brother to those that believe in eternal security....He is a deceiver that is peddling false gospels and YOU sir have misrepresented me on numerous times in this thread, have argued against the truth an EVEN falsely accused me of PICKING my NAME which I did not do....NO honesty and NO apology..........

it is OK man.......whatever.....!!!
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Listen here. If you had taken issue only with me calling him brother, I would not have objected. But you said « why dont you come clean about what you believe». I’m flying under the radar, etc. don’t deny it now. You accused me of subterfuge and deception. On this very night. Come clean and admit it
 
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Discern said:
Listen here. If you had taken issue only with me calling him brother, I would not have objected. But you said « why dont you come clean about what you believe». I’m flying under the radar, etc. don’t deny it now. You accused me of subterfuge and deception. On this very night. Come clean and admit it
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Sure I did....you kept defending him and EVEN now accuse me and assuming that I was attacking HIM....

I have a question?

Have you been here before under a different name? NO need to explain...YES of NO
 
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EleventhHour

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Discern said:
If John Wesley is not in hell, that means someone who does not hold to osas can be my brother.

Did Keith Green hold to osas? I think he MIGHT be my brother. Not sure of what he held, but we better find out
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Here you are attributing something to @dcontroversal and myself .... neither one of us has made any statement about someone being in hell.

We are talking about a particular person and his own clear words on this discussion board.
 
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Discern said:
Listen here. If you had taken issue only with me calling him brother, I would not have objected. But you said « why dont you come clean about what you believe». I’m flying under the radar, etc. don’t deny it now. You accused me of subterfuge and deception. On this very night. Come clean and admit it
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You know....WHY i pursued this course with you?

Because I have been here 6 years....and people like HIM come and GO....they peddle deceit, usually get banned, come back again and do it all over again...and USUALLY their PALS which have BEEN banned or NOT will in a very subtle WAY defend them, promote them, stand with them and THEN they finally reveal themselves by word or deed....I was putting you to the fire migo......because YOUR defence of HIM, misrepresenting ME, calling him a brother IMMEDIATELY set my radar off to a continuing cycle we have here on CC.......IF you are as you say YOU are, are NOT a previous member and DO believe what you say...then I OPENLY APOLOGIZE..........!
 
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Discern

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dcontroversal said:
Listen...this whole discourse between us was clear...You defended Judges as a brother......and MY point has been HE is NOT a brother to those that believe in eternal security....He is a deceiver that is peddling false gospels and YOU sir have misrepresented me on numerous times in this thread, have argued against the truth an EVEN falsely accused me of PICKING my NAME which I did not do....NO honesty and NO apology..........

it is OK man.......whatever.....!!!
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I never said you picked your name
 
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Discern

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dcontroversal said:
You know....WHY i pursued this course with you?

Because I have been here 6 years....and people like HIM come and GO....they peddle deceit, usually get banned, come back again and do it all over again...and USUALLY their PALS which have BEEN banned or NOT will in a very subtle WAY defend them, promote them, stand with them and THEN they finally reveal themselves by word or deed....I was putting you to the fire migo......because YOUR defence of HIM, misrepresenting ME, calling him a brother IMMEDIATELY set my radar off to a continuing cycle we have here on CC.......IF you are as you say YOU are, are NOT a previous member and DO believe what you say...then I OPENLY APOLOGIZE..........!
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Thank you
 
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Discern

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EleventhHour said:
Here you are attributing something to @dcontroversal and myself .... neither one of us has made any statement about someone being in hell.

We are talking about a particular person and his own clear words on this discussion board.
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The fact that I said I believed he was my brother was the same as defending his argument according to Dcontroversal. That was my point.
 
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Discern said:
The fact that I said I believed he was my brother was the same as defending his argument according to Dcontroversal. That was my point.
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Usually if people don’t believe in once saved always saved, do they post dozens of posts saying they do? Is that common around here?
 
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Judges1318

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Discern said:
My transition from NOSAS to OSAS was a long, gradual journey. But the whole time, I knew that I had been justified by grace, and Christ was keeping me by Grace. I was not depending on works to save me in any way.
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As you're saying, we should only be depending on the grace of God's forgiveness to save us and keep us.
That's what faith is all about.
No Christian should walk away from the confidence of Christ's ministry.

I just want to point out that not believing in once saved always saved doesn't have to mean you believe that salvation is secured and kept by works of the law. Salvation is secured and kept by faith in Christ. And faith is hardly a work of the law.
 
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