Prophesying Forbidden

[Dino246]

to whom are you speaking?

To Garee.

 

[NayborBear]

Rrivate interpretation as private revelations only look to widen the authority of the book of prophecy which is all things written in the law and the prophets. We can offer our private interpretation as personal commentaries in that way their must be heresies or sect as denominations amongst us . But when looking to add or subtract from the whole and in doing so destroy the seven seals .Then we know another kind of spirt is a work opposing the gospel (sola scriptura) Again widening the authority of the book of prophecy ..sola scriptura

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to these, God will give that person the plagues written about in this book. 19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away that person’s share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are written about in this book.Revelation 22

The danger of "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) the work of mystics .


www.thecatholictreasurechest.com/urban.htm

Pope Urban VIII, 1623-1644: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not believe, for if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe and it shall be "proven false", you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true."

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Oh well! Whatta ya gonna do, eh?

Cessessonists, are gonna be cessessionists, right?

Full steam ahead with traditions/precepts of men!

 

[notuptome]

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Oh well! Whatta ya gonna do, eh?

Cessessonists, are gonna be cessessionists, right?

Full steam ahead with traditions/precepts of men!

Never let rightly dividing the word of God interfere with a good heresy. Joel is written to Israel in the end times. Peter confirms this in the passage in Acts.

If you are Jewish and alive in the tribulation you will witness the events cited in Joel 2. They are not present in the church today.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

Never let rightly dividing the word of God interfere with a good heresy. Joel is written to Israel in the end times. Peter confirms this in the passage in Acts.

If you are Jewish and alive in the tribulation you will witness the events cited in Joel 2. They are not present in the church today.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I guess Peter and the other disciples were mistaken then.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I used to be active on Christianforums, but they put up a new set of rules a while back. I did not agree and so I was inactive, maybe because I did not want to read a long page of rules at the time.

I thought about signing up again, and I came across this in the rules. I found this objectionable, "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) will be considered off-topic to all site forums."

I believe that the "Personal Prophecy" is referring to new prophesy which is not found in scripture. In other words, bringing in something new that is not a prophecy found in scripture.

 

[CS1]

the context to that is one while on CC giving out Personal prophecies or utterances to another in the CC setting. We are not a church. and nor are we 1-800 Prophecies or ms. cleo

 

[Tinkerbell725]

If speaking in tongues is a gift and is natural to those who are gifted, why is there a need to teach everyone in a church how to speak in tongues?

 

[CS1]

If speaking in tongues is a gift and is natural to those who are gifted, why is there a need to teach everyone in a church how to speak in tongues?

good question I do not teach one to speak in tongues. I do however, teach that all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today and still active in the Body of Christ. I too also teach those according to 1cor chapters 12 to 14 to seek the gifts of the Holy Spirit instructed to do so.

 

[Ahwatukee]

the context to that is one while on CC giving out Personal prophecies or utterances to another in the CC setting. We are not a church. and nor are we 1-800 Prophecies or ms. cleo

Personal prophecies would be something that is not already found in scripture, i.e. something new. And, yes, we are the church. Anyone who is a true believer in Christ belongs to the church. Just because we are on-line and not in a building designated as a church, doesn't mean that we are not the church. It is individual believers that make up the church, which include those who are meeting here.

 

[garee]

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Oh well! Whatta ya gonna do, eh?

Cessessonists, are gonna be cessessionists, right?

Full steam ahead with traditions/precepts of men!

In order to go Full steam ahead with traditions/precepts of men would be for those who look to widen the authority of Scripture and make it without effect..

Those verses do not give the time when new prophecies will not longer be part the book of prophecy the bible .

We are warned before hand prior to John the last prophet to bring new prophecy. Revelation is still the last book in the book of the law the bible as the witness God has spoke

If he warned us before hand they will cease it should not be that difficult to accept .New revelations as the witness of God have not added to it for the last 2000 years. The seals remain intact,

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Mathew 24:23-26

There are no laws missing by which we could know or understand him more adequately. This does not mean he does not speak to our hearts through the perfect now that it has come.

Its our safeguard when trying the spirits to see if they are of men or God. It is impossible that elect will not deceived into thinking of go above that which is written and widening the authority of sola scriptura.

 

[garee]

If speaking in tongues is a gift and is natural to those who are gifted, why is there a need to teach everyone in a church how to speak in tongues?

Tongues is one of the manners of prophecy . God is not adding new. The spiritual gift of prophesying declaring the tongue of God is alive and well .It is the tool for evangelizing .

The newer innovation seen today making sounds without meaning has nothing to with the gift. It has to do with self false edification.

We walk by mixing faith in what we do hear. Faith to faith The word of God.

 

[Dino246]

In order to go Full steam ahead with traditions/precepts of men would be for those who look to widen the authority of Scripture and make it without effect..

Who is doing this? Please quote them directly instead of just claiming they exist.

 

[garee]

Who is doing this? Please quote them directly instead of just claiming they exist.

The ones that say lo is Christ. He is there or here. I had a dream or a out of the body experience. I got slain in the spirit and fell backwards. I speak in tongues denying what tongues is prophecy. Any of the supposed sign gifts. No such thing as sign gifts . Spiritual gifts not seen. Sign gifts no way. We walk by faith.

Prophesying is not forbidden. Self edification as in self righteousness is forbidden

 

[Dino246]

The ones that say lo is Christ. He is there or here. I had a dream or a out of the body experience. I got slain in the spirit and fell backwards. I speak in tongues denying what tongues is prophecy. Any of the supposed sign gifts.

You keep claiming what "they" believe or claim instead of answering my question. WHO are they? What are their names (or nicknames, if they are here)? Quote them, so we may all see for ourselves their words that supposedly condemn them.

Prophesying is not forbidden. Self edification as in self righteousness is forbidden

Where in Scripture is this alleged forbidding of self-edification?

 

[presidente]

Personal prophecy is not used in 1cor 12 through 14.

Paul gives a hypothetical scenario in chapter 14 of an unbeliever or uninstructed one coming into a church gathering, all prophesying, and the secrets of his heart are made manifest and he declares that God is truly among you. Agabus prophesied about Paul in Acts. There are numbers of other examples of prophecies given to individuals in scripture. Isn't it edifying to read these scriptures?

The gift is for the Whole Body of Christ. Things said to one person must be a confirmation, not a revelation.

Where does the Bible teach that prophecies have to be confirmation? There are many examples of prophecies in the Bible where it does not seem likely that the individual(s) hearing them would have known the information beforehand. I cannot find anywhere where the New Testament teaches that prophecy has to be 'confirmation.' Did Timothy know what his gift was before he received that gift 'through prophecy.' He did not have it before he received.

many do not understand the context of Prophetic utterances or how they are to 1. line up with the word of God 2. Edify & comfort 3. Bring glory to God. 4. spoken in confirmation.

I agree with everything except for 'spoken in confirmation.' Do you mean confirmation of what the hearer already knows? That's one of those made-up limitations put on prophesying, not something Biblical.

Everything is to be done in order and discipline 1cor 14:40 says. the Prophesying of a Prophet in Old by the Holy Spirit is not what the context of 1cor 12 through 14. The greek is speaking of one speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to "Proclaim" the gospel. the Old Testament Prophet spoke Judgement and used to instruct and bring warning to repent.

Evangelists proclaim the gospel. Is that prophesying? Ephesians 4:11 lists prophets and evangelists as separate ministries.

 

[presidente]

Rrivate interpretation as private revelations only look to widen the authority of the book of prophecy which is all things written in the law and the prophets.

Peter says the scriptures are not of private interpretation. I don't know how you are using your term here.

We can offer our private interpretation as personal commentaries in that way their must be heresies or sect as denominations amongst us . But when looking to add or subtract from the whole and in doing so destroy the seven seals .Then we know another kind of spirt is a work opposing the gospel (sola scriptura) Again widening the authority of the book of prophecy ..sola scriptura

If your interpretation of 'sola scripture' contradicts the scriptura, then there is a problem. The Bible teaches that gifts, like prophecy and various other gifts, are given as the Spirit wills.

Destroy the seven seals? Huh?

I have posted to you in the past and shown you where the Bible makes reference to numerous prophecies and revelations not included in the Bible. We do not know what Saul prophesied. We do not know the prophecies Miciah made to Ahab prior to the one he made about his death. We do not have the book of Iddo the Seer. The New Testament does not tell us all the prophecies of the prophets who accompanied Agabus to Antioch, or the prophecies of the prophets it gives instructions to in I Corinthians 14.

It is therefore very clear from scripture that not all prophecies are in scripture. Therefore, your assumption that someone prophesying is adding to the book of Revelation, or the Bible, is clearly false. Prophesying does not destroy the seven seals. Your argument does not line up with scripture.

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to these, God will give that person the plagues written about in this book. 19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away that person’s share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are written about in this book.Revelation 22

Why would someone receiving a genuine prophecy from the Holy Spirit be any more adding to the book of Revelation than your 'adding' this strange 'private interpretation' to this passage that prophesying is adding to the Bible? If prophesying is adding to the book of Revelation, then why wouldn't adding interpretations that aren't valid be doing so? Sophistry is a two-edged sword.

 

[presidente]

He even warned beforehand if some say there he is, I had a dream or a vison. The Commandment . Beleive not .

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.Mathew 24:23-26

Are you trying to add that first sentence to the Bible? It is not in there, and it is not in the quote from Matthew that you gave. Many prophets received visions. It did not mean they were claiming to be Christ.

Christ said, "Behold I send unto you prophets, wise men, and scribes...." Look one chapter earlier in Matthew 23. So Christ sent prophets and warned of false prophets. That means that we should expect some to be true and some to be false.

Peter would later quote Joel about the outpouring of the Spirit that your young men would have visions and your old men would dream dreams. Peter would have a vision. There were prophets in the church in Jerusalem. Do you believe that Acts is inspired scripture, or do you believe the apostles went astray by having visions and that the church went astray by having prophets in the church? The problem here is your misinterpretation of Christ's words, not His actual words.

Tongues which is simply prophecy according to a know language is given as a spiritual gift two fold. The words to the speaker and ears to hear the prophecy to the hearer.

that is a convoluted way of interpreting Acts 2. It goes back at least to the 4th century, but it is convoluted.

 

[CS1]

Paul gives a hypothetical scenario in chapter 14 of an unbeliever or uninstructed one coming into a church gathering, all prophesying, and the secrets of his heart are made manifest and he declares that God is truly among you. Agabus prophesied about Paul in Acts. There are numbers of other examples of prophecies given to individuals in scripture. Isn't it edifying to read these scriptures?




Where does the Bible teach that prophecies have to be confirmation? There are many examples of prophecies in the Bible where it does not seem likely that the individual(s) hearing them would have known the information beforehand. I cannot find anywhere where the New Testament teaches that prophecy has to be 'confirmation.' Did Timothy know what his gift was before he received that gift 'through prophecy.' He did not have it before he received.



I agree with everything except for 'spoken in confirmation.' Do you mean confirmation of what the hearer already knows? That's one of those made-up limitations put on prophesying, not something Biblical.



Evangelists proclaim the gospel. Is that prophesying? Ephesians 4:11 lists prophets and evangelists as separate ministries.

Paul does not gives a hypothetical scenario in chapter 14. You interjected that.

 

[garee]

Are you trying to add that first sentence to the Bible? It is not in there, and it is not in the quote from Matthew that you gave. Many prophets received visions. It did not mean they were claiming to be Christ.

Christ said, "Behold I send unto you prophets, wise men, and scribes...." Look one chapter earlier in Matthew 23. So Christ sent prophets and warned of false prophets. That means that we should expect some to be true and some to be false.

Peter would later quote Joel about the outpouring of the Spirit that your young men would have visions and your old men would dream dreams. Peter would have a vision. There were prophets in the church in Jerusalem. Do you believe that Acts is inspired scripture, or do you believe the apostles went astray by having visions and that the church went astray by having prophets in the church? The problem here is your misinterpretation of Christ's words, not His actual words.that is a convoluted way of interpreting Acts 2. It goes back at least to the 4th century, but it is convoluted.

Hi thanks for the reply and sorry for my grammar.

I would offer Tongues are Prophecy. It was a sign against the faithless Jews that mocked God that by their oral traditions made sola scriptura without effect, and saw no evil in doing so as a law of the fathers .

According to the law (Isaiah 28) He mocked them with stammering lips .They flesh used as a metaphor was used to represent un-belief (no faith) in the whole of mankind,. Not in respect to one nation made up of the Hittites and the Amorites, Abram's mother and father. But again to represent the whole of mankind (no faith) called the gentiles. Not having a higher place according to the outward flesh of a Jew then that of a gentile as if we did wrestles against flesh and blood, nation against nation .We walk by faith the unseen.

That false hope as a false zeal law of the fathers was their hope they still hold on to even today to represent the false hope of the whole world. You could say Earthly Jerusalem a hopeless place in need of the gospel. From the way I understand there is one or maybe two places in Telavi Jerusalem where a person could find the new testament on sale .A dark place in need of the light of the gospel

I would agree many prophets did receive prophecy before hand and the end came . God's witness informing us he has spoken from heaven cannot be added to. Revelation is still the last Book that declares the word or tongue our new tongue the gospel of God as sign we have been born again.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Its the gospel key that cast out and binds lying spirits .The key spoken of in Revelation 20 as the signified understanding.

 

[Dino246]

I would offer Tongues are Prophecy. It was a sign against the faithless Jews that mocked God that by their oral traditions made sola scriptura without effect, and saw no evil in doing so as a law of the fathers .

That interpretation is completely inconsistent with both Acts 10 and 1 Corinthians 14.

God's witness informing us he has spoken from heaven cannot be added to. Revelation is still the last Book that declares the word or tongue our new tongue the gospel of God as sign we have been born again.

Scripture does not say that God stopped speaking... at all. It says not to add to Scripture, or even more specifically, to the book of Revelation. Prophetic messages given today are not additions to Scripture, despite what you continually assert.

The gospel is not "the new tongue". That idea is not consistent with Scripture either.