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eternally-gratefull said:
Sorry, But Not everyone there was believers, If they were. Paul would never insist they were trying to be justified by the law

Thats a different gospel. The same gospel this thread has been trying to defeat since it was first opened.

If your trust is in works. Your trusting a different gospel. Paul said in his opening remarks. That is not a replacement gospel.

You can not fall from Grace if your a true born again believer.

You can not say Christ has become n affect if your a true born again believer. Thats saying Christs saving grace and the filling of the spirit had no afffect on a person. Sorry, I can not buy that.
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They were saved, they were under extreme pressure, they returned to old habits, but were still saved, just not living in the fullness of grace afforded to them as believers.

As they say...Old habits die hard.
 
EleventhHour said:
There is the active experience of grace and the position of grace... important to differentiate which Paul is addressing, since we can never loose salvation and we know he is addressing believers then we know Paul's concern is with regards to behaviour/doctrine/beliefs that move one away from the active experience of grace.
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Paul is adressing a false gospel which is impossible to saved, and people who are trying to be JUSTIFED by works.

The context i justification. Not sanctification. Read pauls words. How many times does the phrase justification by works or law appear?

Your right, People can not lose salvation

But they can, and have for centuries come in and try this christian thing, only to revert back to what they true faith was to begin with. This is what was happening with the jews.

They were on one side, Thought they would TRY another side, And came to the conclusion, their true faith was on the origional side. So they departed and went back.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Paul is adressing a false gospel which is impossible to saved, and people who are trying to be JUSTIFED by works.

The context i justification. Not sanctification. Read pauls words. How many times does the phrase justification by works or law appear?

Your right, People can not lose salvation

But they can, and have for centuries come in and try this christian thing, only to revert back to what they true faith was to begin with. This is what was happening with the jews.

They were on one side, Thought they would TRY another side, And came to the conclusion, their true faith was on the origional side. So they departed and went back.
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Let me go back to the two verses that were quoted..... minute please :)
 
EleventhHour said:
They were saved, they were under extreme pressure, they returned to old habits, but were still saved, just not living in the fullness of grace afforded to them as believers.

As they say...Old habits die hard.
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If they wee saved, they never would have returned.

If your true faith is in the fact that the law led you to christ because you realized the TRUTH of the law is the fact you can never keep it. This in reality, you are condemned by it. And your only hope is through the sacrificial lamb.

And this brought you to true repentance, because you had assurance you were guilty, and assurance that Christ was the only way

You do not go back to what you KNOW had no power to save you to begin with

You only go back if you never really repented.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Sorry, But Not everyone there was believers, If they were. Paul would never insist they were trying to be justified by the law

Thats a different gospel. The same gospel this thread has been trying to defeat since it was first opened.

If your trust is in works. Your trusting a different gospel. Paul said in his opening remarks. That is not a replacement gospel.

You can not fall from Grace if your a true born again believer.

You can not say Christ has become n affect if your a true born again believer. Thats saying Christs saving grace and the filling of the spirit had no afffect on a person. Sorry, I can not buy that.
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I agree that they were not all believers, but it is possible for a believer to err for a season. I believe God will correct them in time, but they can err. So there was a danger, of losing precious time and opportunities to a season wood, hay, stubble.

The ones who were trusting in the Law were not saved. But the ones who were saved were being seduced. God preserved them and kept them from falling into error through Paul

It is God who preserves us, but He uses many ways and means to do so
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Paul is adressing a false gospel which is impossible to saved, and people who are trying to be JUSTIFED by works.

The context i justification. Not sanctification. Read pauls words. How many times does the phrase justification by works or law appear?

Your right, People can not lose salvation

But they can, and have for centuries come in and try this christian thing, only to revert back to what they true faith was to begin with. This is what was happening with the jews.

They were on one side, Thought they would TRY another side, And came to the conclusion, their true faith was on the origional side. So they departed and went back.
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Galatians 4:10 KJV
10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 5:4-5 KJV
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

So are you stating that when Paul states here they have fallen from grace he was speaking to non-believers?
 
Discern said:
John was telling them to bear the fruit of repentance. It was possible under the old covenant to bear fruit unto repentance. King David did. Even the wicked Assyrians did in Jonah’s day, though it did not pass to future generations. John was telling them to repent in preparation for the Coming King. Prepare the way of the Lord, make His path straight” was His ministry.

The Law functioned in a similar matter. It did not save, but prepared for the One who can and will save all who Repent towards God and believe on the Lord Jesus
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This is why true believers would never go back to the law

True repentance and true faith means you KNOW the law could never save you. And you KOW your only hope is in christ.

If yoru still attempting to be justified by law. Which butteflyyy showed us in the greek they were in the process of trying to be justified by law. They have yet to repent.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If they wee saved, they never would have returned.

If your true faith is in the fact that the law led you to christ because you realized the TRUTH of the law is the fact you can never keep it. This in reality, you are condemned by it. And your only hope is through the sacrificial lamb.

And this brought you to true repentance, because you had assurance you were guilty, and assurance that Christ was the only way

You do not go back to what you KNOW had no power to save you to begin with

You only go back if you never really repented.
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Sure we sit in church for twenty years, read bibles and learn all this... do you think these new believers had all this understanding.... why was Paul writing to them... because they did not understand all this!!
 
Discern said:
I agree that they were not all believers, but it is possible for a believer to err for a season. I believe God will correct them in time, but they can err. So there was a danger, of losing precious time and opportunities to a season wood, hay, stubble.

The ones who were trusting in the Law were not saved. But the ones who were saved were being seduced. God preserved them and kept them from falling into error through Paul

It is God who preserves us, but He uses many ways and means to do so
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Amen

God used paul in many ways.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
This is why true believers would never go back to the law

True repentance and true faith means you KNOW the law could never save you. And you KOW your only hope is in christ.

If yoru still attempting to be justified by law. Which butteflyyy showed us in the greek they were in the process of trying to be justified by law. They have yet to repent.
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I am in agreement with you
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
This is why true believers would never go back to the law

True repentance and true faith means you KNOW the law could never save you. And you KOW your only hope is in christ.

If yoru still attempting to be justified by law. Which butteflyyy showed us in the greek they were in the process of trying to be justified by law. They have yet to repent.
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Are you in agreement with this @Discern I am curious?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Remember, David was considered a man after Gods heart as a very young man, Bathsheba and Nathan occured later in his life. Which shows even a mature man of God can fall down now one is safe from sin. The worse place we can be is thinking we made it and we are ok
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I was just making the point that God eventually disciplined David, He did not forsake him, despite the dreadful sin. It cost David dearly, and Bathsheba; but David did not lose his position as belonging to God.
 
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Discern said:
I am in agreement with you
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They were already justified, they were behaving much like those Jews written to in Hebrews.

That is the whole point they were justified but could not grasp yet that they did not need the law ....historical context... not 21st century lens.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Sure we sit in church for twenty years, read bibles and learn all this... do you think these new believers had all this understanding.... why was Paul writing to them... because they did not understand all this!!
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That is a good point. They did not have the wealth of resources we have. The bottom line is God preserved those who were His by the writing of Paul. For He that is of God hears the Words of God

So most likely, they received the letter, and those who were of God received and obeyed, and those who were not of God disobeyed

God keeps us by many ways and means.
 
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EleventhHour said:
They were already justified, they were behaving much like those Jews written to in Hebrews.

That is the whole point they were justified but could not grasp yet that they did not need the law ....historical context... not 21st century lens.
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Please see my last post before this one
 
EleventhHour said:
Sure we sit in church for twenty years, read bibles and learn all this... do you think these new believers had all this understanding.... why was Paul writing to them... because they did not understand all this!!
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If they were saved, They understood the law could never save them, and their only hope was the sacrifice of the lamb

so there owuld be no temptation to going to be justified by law

Now maybe bang sanctified by law? That could be an issue and it has been for many over the years. But that was not Pauls point to the Galatian church. His context was justification. Not sanctification.

Again, Justified by faith. That is the context of pauls argument. The context was not sanctification. If he was talking to true believers, He would be talking about being sanctified by law. Not justified. He would not be telling them they have been severed, he woudl not be telling them christ became no affect. He would not be asking them how they were originally saved in the spirit they are foolish for thinking they must maintain, or perfect (complete) their salvation in the flesh.

Paul is fighting a legalistic gospel of works. Much Like DC has been doing in this thread. This thread is not about those who are tryign to be sanctified by works, it is about those trying to be justified (saved) by works.

How many times have we had to correct people for saying we do not think a believer will change, or they can live in sin. And do whatever they want? Because they are using sanctification as a context of this thread not justification


 
Discern said:
That is a good point. They did not have the wealth of resources we have. The bottom line is God preserved those who were His by the writing of Paul. For He that is of God hears the Words of God

So most likely, they received the letter, and those who were of God received and obeyed, and those who were not of God disobeyed

God keeps us by many ways and means.
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Amen, So these truly saved would heed pauls warning, because they understood. Where those who were not truely saved were basically brought to a point, confronted. CHose this day what you will trust. Will your continue to trust the law. Or repent and trust Christ.
 
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Discern said:
That is a good point. They did not have the wealth of resources we have. The bottom line is God preserved those who were His by the writing of Paul. For He that is of God hears the Words of God

So most likely, they received the letter, and those who were of God received and obeyed, and those who were not of God disobeyed

God keeps us by many ways and means.
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We must assume the position, intent of the writer, the writer is speaking to believers.
That is the lens all letters must be understood from imho... they actually make a lot more sense.
 
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