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It does not say this

it says UNTIL the day of redemption.

It’s not a duel covenant such as the law was

its in “I will” covenant which was the abrahamic covenant
Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall
persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
 

Hevosmies

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Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall
persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
1 John 5:5
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 
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EleventhHour

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One thing i've noticed about these guys is they leave GOD out the picture completely. When you read passages in the Bible about any given topic, USUALLY God is always active, always doing something, even in POLITICAL MATTERS in the OT its clear God is moving the pieces, and will do so again SOON according to Revelation 17:17.

Yet these men got a system where GOD is UNEMPLOYED, He isnt really doing anything He is just kinda watching and hoping things will turn out good, cant do nothin about it tho, but MAYBE someone will be saved.

Some folks dont even believe God knows the future, a certain man named Jesse Morrell teaches that, AINT IT AMAZING how some of these guys can think and breathe at the same time?
Sad state of affairs... I really dislike Jesse Morell's teachings.....please do not mention his name again!!;)

God is sovereign and His will does come to pass perfectly.
 
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Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church: (y):)
 
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1 John 5:5
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
[1] Whosoever are servants under the yoke, let them count their masters worthy of all honour; lest the name of the Lord and his doctrine be blasphemed. [2] But they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but serve them the rather, because they are faithful and beloved, who are partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. [3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to that doctrine which is according to godliness, [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and strifes of words; from which arise envies, contentions, blasphemies, evil suspicions, [5] Conflicts of men corrupted in mind, and who are destitute of the truth, supposing gain to be godliness.
 

Hevosmies

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If you keep trusting in Christ.
WHO does not keep trusting? AGAIN: I cannot choose to do anything BUT trust in Christ. Its OUT OF MY HANDS completely.

Do you know how many times I shoulda been DEAD? But God kept me alive through all those situations. They can put me in a dark cell without lights and without flushing the toilet (those are done from the outside in certain places), they can stab me, they can shoot me, they can shut me up and I still come out with my mental faculties intact (debatable according to some the mental faculties intact part) BUT GUESS WHAT. JESUS will still be there for me and in those type of situations you cant NOT trust in Christ! HE IS ALL YOU HAVE.
They could throw me in the LION's DEN as they did to Christians in the past and JESUS would still be there with me, and Jesus will MAKE SURE that everyone is dealt with JUSTLY

Do you know how many people have had their life changed by Jesus? I overcame a LIFE LONG DEPRESSION, since I can remember i've ALWAYS been a debbie downer and been depressed but RECENTLY God gave me the victory over it and im noT MISERABLE all the time anymore.

WHAT kind of an IKEA Doityourself salvation are you pushing BOY?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall
persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
context

this speaks of those living during what Jesus called the time of great tribulation.

news flash, we are not living in those days yet.so kind of hard for us to,persevere so we can be physically saved during that time
 
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No where is this stated...... that being sealed is correlated to the passage of earthly time and ongoing belief as a mandatory factor.

It is a one time event.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins,
 

PennEd

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You believe that the believer must continue to believe to be saved.
You just believe that true believers will always believe.
That's a whole other argument.

But just to be clear, you agree with me that a person who does not presently believe in Jesus can in no way be saved, right?

Are you paying attention 11th hour?
It's a foolish argument.

A good tree is intrinsically good. A Child of God will intrinsically believe. They may have a season where they think they lost their sonship, but they still know WHO the Father is. They may think THEY messed up so much that the Father has disowned them, but we KNOW the Father is drawing them back, searching for them UNTIL He finds them, and then He will hug them and kiss them. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS KIDS!

They don't suddenly think shiva, krista, allah, zeus, etc.... are the Father.


So to reiterate, a born again Child of God may for a time have doubts who THEY are, but they never disbelieve who God is!
 
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context

this speaks of those living during what Jesus called the time of great tribulation.

news flash, we are not living in those days yet.so kind of hard for us to,persevere so we can be physically saved during that time
Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
 
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context

this speaks of those living during what Jesus called the time of great tribulation.

news flash, we are not living in those days yet.so kind of hard for us to,persevere so we can be physically saved during that time
Matthew 24:13
But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.
 
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context

this speaks of those living during what Jesus called the time of great tribulation.

news flash, we are not living in those days yet.so kind of hard for us to,persevere so we can be physically saved during that time
Hebrews 12:7
Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct?
 
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It's a foolish argument.

A good tree is intrinsically good. A Child of God will intrinsically believe. They may have a season where they think they lost their sonship, but they still know WHO the Father is. They may think THEY messed up so much that the Father has disowned them, but we KNOW the Father is drawing them back, searching for them UNTIL He finds them, and then He will hug them and kiss them. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS KIDS!

They don't suddenly think shiva, krista, allah, zeus, etc.... are the Father.


So to reiterate, a born again Child of God may for a time have doubts who THEY are, but they never disbelieve who God is!
100% of the people who claim to be born-again choose to deny sound doctrine of Jesus Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 10:22
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
yep

and you

who is you?

those alive during tribulation


Jesus did not contradict his other teaching and make no affect his sacrifice by saying we can earn salvation.
 
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EleventhHour

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Go away Jaden. Or is an ignore in order?
Please ...I so agree he posts scripture out of context with the sole intent of condemnation.... Seriously it is getting hard to take....ignore does not seem like enough!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hebrews 12:7
Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct?
No

matt 24 speaks of end times, and the great tribulation right before his return.

the command is for them, not you or me, unless we are alive then