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I understand your position, and I will not challenge you on it. Just keep an open heart towards God on the matter, and I will do the same. Just know that those who hold to security of the believer are not advocating OSAS as some may think they are.
Some of the most godly and evangelistic men and women have held eternal security. When properly understood, it is a great impetus to righteous living and holy conduct, and those who understand grace never use it to excuse laxity and or Loose living.
Some of the most godly and evangelistic men and women have held eternal security. When properly understood, it is a great impetus to righteous living and holy conduct, and those who understand grace never use it to excuse laxity and or Loose living.
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To show how far superior the new covenant is.
Hebrews 13:5 KJV
"for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."
Deuteronomy 31:6,8 KJV
"he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee."
"he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee"
And in context, we see that promise has a condition. You can not forsake God.
Grace is not a license that makes it so you can leave God and still have his protection.
What's different in this New Covenant is we now have the grace to not forsake God so we can remain in the faithful, never failing protection of his salvation. Instead, the church has turned that on it's head and says we now have the grace to forsake God and still remain in his salvation. Dark is now light. Bitter is now sweet. Bad is now good.
If this does not describe the new once saved always saved movement in the church I don't know what does:
Isaiah 5:20,21,23 KJV
20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
23Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
And here's is the fate of those who are of this teaching:
24Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. - Isaiah 5:24 KJV
Sorry, sister. The verse I was referring to was Heb 3:14. We have become ( past tense) partakers of Christ if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firn until the end.
The made partakers is past tense, occurring BEFORE the holding fast, making the act of holding fast a descriptive quality of partakers, not a condition that makes you a partaker
Hebrews 3.6 says we are Christ’s house if we hold fast our confidence and boast of our hope firm to the end.
We are Christ’s house (present tense) if (descriptive) we hold fast our confidence to the end ( going into the future).
So holding fast is not a condition we have to meet in order to be Gods house. We already are Gods house. But this text reveals that holding fast to the end is descriptive of those that are Gods house
The made partakers is past tense, occurring BEFORE the holding fast, making the act of holding fast a descriptive quality of partakers, not a condition that makes you a partaker
Hebrews 3.6 says we are Christ’s house if we hold fast our confidence and boast of our hope firm to the end.
We are Christ’s house (present tense) if (descriptive) we hold fast our confidence to the end ( going into the future).
So holding fast is not a condition we have to meet in order to be Gods house. We already are Gods house. But this text reveals that holding fast to the end is descriptive of those that are Gods house
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So why do those of your persuasion, always FOCUS on the supposed FALSE Possibility of falling away, instead the FULL PROOF VERSES:
John 16:1 (ESV)
1 “I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away.
Jude 1:24-25 (NRSV)
24 Now to him who is able to keep you from falling, and to make you stand without blemish in the presence of his glory with rejoicing,
25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
It Seems you DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE ULTIMATE POWER AND AUTHORITY OF CHRIST OUR LORD AND GOD.
And you Think the finite mind of those supposed followers of Jesus, IS MORE POWERFUL than the ULTIMATE power, and authority,
of CHRIST HIMSELF. Instead of realizing that those who Fell Away only proved that they were NOT SAVED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us.
However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, . . .
If a person worries about losing salvation then I suggest they have not lost it.
If they leave the faith as you suggest then they would not worry because they have lost nothing.
A lot of belivers are trusting in Jesus yet are so worried they will lose their salvation.
Why do you think that is?
What would you say to a person who expressed this to you?
If they leave the faith as you suggest then they would not worry because they have lost nothing.
A lot of belivers are trusting in Jesus yet are so worried they will lose their salvation.
Why do you think that is?
What would you say to a person who expressed this to you?
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