Five Articles of the Remonstrance of Jacobus Arminius of 1610

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Hi Butterfly, my disagreement is with man's fallen nature, which it appears that both Arminiasm & Reformed accept that principle. I disagree with it.
Thanks!
If man is not fallen, that would mean one could potentially live a sinless life from cradle to grave. Do you hold that?
 

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And we DO know that it is also written that Christ died for ALL and that WHOSOEVER believes in the Lord Jesus Christ will not perish but have everlasting life.
Here something for ya . Go find the Greek copy of the scriptures and look for the Greek word for whosoever.
Blessings
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If man is not fallen, that would mean one could potentially live a sinless life from cradle to grave. Do you hold that?
Yes, theoretically, I do, ...for this is why we are guilty. And, of course, Christ proved it himself.
 

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Here something for ya . Go find the Greek copy of the scriptures and look for the Greek word for whosoever.
Blessings
Bill
Ugh...here we go...seems like another tiresome Calvinist on here :sleep:
 
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Yes, theoretically, I do, ...for this is why we are guilty. And, of course, Christ proved it himself.
Christ was not fallen. That is why He did not sin. We are fallen, therefore we sin.

There is not one man, except Christ, who never sinned
 

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calvinism does not...correct

The Remonstrants did teach that Christ died for all.

They both agree that the benefits of Christ’s death are only applied to those who believe”.
Just to clarify.... I am NOT a Universalist🙂
 

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Sorry to have offended you .
I will leave you alone .
Have a good evening mam
Blessings
Bill
Sorry Bill but I have found it to be tiresome and difficult to speak with Calvinists over the years.
Thank you for being so polite.
God bless you too🙂
 

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Christ was not fallen. That is why He did not sin. We are fallen, therefore we sin.

There is not one man, save Christ, who never sinned
Christ did not sin because he loved God with all his heart, mind and soul, and for no other reason, that is how he was able to redeem us.
Do you love your mother or father, your siblings or spouse (rhetorical), of course, even the heathens do, therefore, don't tell me that you're fallen.
Problem is, we don't love God in the same way, that's why we're guilty.
 

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calvinism does not...correct

The Remonstrants did teach that Christ died for all.

They both agree that the benefits of Christ’s death are only applied to those who believe”.
The Book of 1st Timothy chapter 4
1 Timothy
Theme
Paul writes to instruct Timothy concerning the care of the church at Ephesus.
Overview
This is the first of Paul’s epistles to the young pastor Timothy. In it, according to the King James Study Bible, he exhorts Timothy to guard against false doctrine, protect public worship, and develop mature leadership. Much of the epistle deals with the nature of pastoral conduct, including the qualifications of a bishop (pastor) as a true teacher of God’s Word. Practical directions for elders and for widows are also given in detail.


...A Good Servant of Christ Jesus
6 If you put these things before the brothers,[a] you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed. 7 Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness; 8 for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come. 9 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance. 10 For to this end we toil and strive,[b] because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
11 Command and teach these things.

FOOTNOTES
 

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Christ did not sin because he loved God with all his heart, mind and soul, and for no other reason, that is how he was able to redeem us.
Do you love your mother or father, your siblings or spouse (rhetorical), of course, even the heathens do, therefore, don't tell me that you're fallen.
Problem is, we don't love God in the same way, that's why we're guilty.
Christ did not sin because He was God made flesh.

Old Testament: The Book of Isaiah chapter 7
1414 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.[h]
FOOTNOTES
[h]Immanuel means God is with us


New Testament: The Book of Matthew chapter 1
3 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall call his name Immanuel”
Mounce Greek: Emmanouēl
Ἐμμανουήλ (Emmanouēl)
Strong: G1694
GK: G1842
Emmanuel, pr. name, indecl., Mt. 1:23
See everywhere Emmanouēl appears in the New Testament via teknia.com.
 

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Christ did not sin because He was God made flesh.

Old Testament: The Book of Isaiah chapter 7
1414 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.[h]
FOOTNOTES
[h]Immanuel means God is with us


New Testament: The Book of Matthew chapter 1
3 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall call his name Immanuel”
Mounce Greek: Emmanouēl
Ἐμμανουήλ (Emmanouēl)
Strong: G1694
GK: G1842
Emmanuel, pr. name, indecl., Mt. 1:23
See everywhere Emmanouēl appears in the New Testament via teknia.com.
You sound like an anti-christ, what the heck is a god-man?!
Are you unaware of the meaning of El in many people's names throughout the Bible? Are you unaware how the Davidic promise was finally fulfilled through Christ, especially after the Israelites have been abandoned for centuries. And you question what the expression 'God with us' means?
You haven't read your Old Testament, or you missed the overall principle i.e. favouritism then abandonment, then an anti-climatic return, then 400 years of silence, and the Israelites lament 'until when God will you let your people suffer'? You are unable to correlate 'God with us' with the plight of the Israelites? ...no, let's go with the god-man theory?
 
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You sound like an anti-christ, what the heck is a god-man?!
Are you unaware of the meaning of El in many people's names throughout the Bible? Are you unaware how the Davidic promise was finally fulfilled through Christ, especially after the Israelites have been abandoned for centuries. And you question what the expression 'God with us' means?
You haven't read your Old Testament, or you missed the overall principle i.e. favouritism then abandonment, then an anti-climatic return, then 400 years of silence, and the Israelites lament 'until when God will you let your people suffer'? You are unable to correlate 'God with us' with the plight of the Israelites? ...no, let's go with the god-man theory?
The doctrine of the incarnation teaches that the one who made all things, and by whom all things are held together, and who is called God was made flesh, human flesh, and lived among us.
 

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You sound like an anti-christ, what the heck is a god-man?!
Are you unaware of the meaning of El in many people's names throughout the Bible? Are you unaware how the Davidic promise was finally fulfilled through Christ, especially after the Israelites have been abandoned for centuries. And you question what the expression 'God with us' means?
You haven't read your Old Testament, or you missed the overall principle i.e. favouritism then abandonment, then an anti-climatic return, then 400 years of silence, and the Israelites lament 'until when God will you let your people suffer'? You are unable to correlate 'God with us' with the plight of the Israelites? ...no, let's go with the god-man theory?
Let's go with the Bible statements of fact and faith.

The Book of Exodus chapter 3
4 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.”[a] And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.

(CJB Version) 14 God said to Moshe, “Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh [I am/will be what I am/will be],” and added, “Here is what to say to the people of Isra’el: ‘Ehyeh [I Am or I Will Be] has sent me to you.’”

The Book of Matthew chapter 11
27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him

The Book of John chapter 14
6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

The Book of 1st John chapter 2
2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.


The Book of John chapter 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
The Book of John chapter 8
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”


The Book of Revelation chapter 1
8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


The Book of Revelation chapter 21
6. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
 
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Ugh...here we go...seems like another tiresome Calvinist on here :sleep:

relentless

look that up ;)

you know what irks me? (I know you didn't ask)

people who interrupt the flow of a thread and just insert themselves with no thought of what was going on

like 2 people talking here and someone comes along and plops the C word

insensitive
 

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Here something for ya . Go find the Greek copy of the scriptures and look for the Greek word for whosoever.
The Greek is no different than the English. Whosoever means whosoever -- anyone and everyone -- all without exception.

Strong's Concordance
pas: all, every
Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.


HELPS Word-studies
3956
páseach, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).
3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.
[When 3956 (pás) modifies a word with the definite article it has "extensive-intensive" force – and is straightforward intensive when the Greek definite article is lacking.]


NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
all, every
NASB Translation
all (731), all the things (7), all...things (1), all kinds (1), all men (14), all people (4), all respects (3), all things (126), all* (1), always* (3), any (16), any at all (1), anyone (3), anything (3), anything* (1), continually* (6), entire (4), every (128), every form (1), every kind (9), every respect (1), every way (2), everyone (71), everyone's (1), everyone* (1), everything (45), forever* (1), full (2), great (2), no* (15), none* (1), nothing (1), nothing* (1), one (4), perfectly (1), quite (1), whatever (3), whatever* (1), whoever (7), whole (18).
 
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It means all the believing ones, the ones who believe, everyone and all that believe, WHICH isn't a contradiction of election because they only will believe.

Salvation is of the Lord, repentance and faith is God's grant and gift, and those who believe will be saved, there is no contradiction, the bible teaches Calvinism.....everywhere.

Heres a song for the haters who rebel against God's word and need to repent of there sin: