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Ya read my profile right?
I "hope" I am! Yet, not knowing!
As all believers should be!
Don't settle for "common salvation!"
Press on towards spiritual maturity.
"You don't have to read or study the Bible!"
"Yer saved!" "Them bad 'ol people are gonna suffer tribulation!"
"I'm not worried!" "I'm not gonna be here!" "I'll be RAPTURED!"
Yeah? "horse hockey!"
I "hope" I am! Yet, not knowing!
As all believers should be!
Don't settle for "common salvation!"
Press on towards spiritual maturity.
"You don't have to read or study the Bible!"
"Yer saved!" "Them bad 'ol people are gonna suffer tribulation!"
"I'm not worried!" "I'm not gonna be here!" "I'll be RAPTURED!"
Yeah? "horse hockey!"
The path of the righteous is the like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter until the full light of day. Unless we give up everything we have, He said we cannot be His disciples. It's not the Magic Kingdom. That doesn't happen day one. That's why Paul compares it to the long distance race in 1 Cor. 9. And even why he exhorts Timothy:
"Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."
And just a bit of wisdom again, it's interesting that in both 1st and 2nd Timothy we are strongly warned against quarreling. There is a time to shake the dust off the flip flops!
"Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."
And just a bit of wisdom again, it's interesting that in both 1st and 2nd Timothy we are strongly warned against quarreling. There is a time to shake the dust off the flip flops!
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The path of the righteous is the like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter until the full light of day. Unless we give up everything we have, He said we cannot be His disciples. It's not the Magic Kingdom. That doesn't happen day one. That's why Paul compares it to the long distance race in 1 Cor. 9. And even why he exhorts Timothy:
"Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."
And just a bit of wisdom again, it's interesting that in both 1st and 2nd Timothy we are strongly warned against quarreling. There is a time to shake the dust off the flip flops!
"Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."
And just a bit of wisdom again, it's interesting that in both 1st and 2nd Timothy we are strongly warned against quarreling. There is a time to shake the dust off the flip flops!
Are we not suppose to become Christlike?
Do they really believe that onced yer baptized, yer instantly in the image of Christ? Really?
If they only understood all the "falseness" of doctrines, and traditions of men that have eroded "the faith" for millennia.
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Revelation 3
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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What do you do with:
--the fact that not all of us will DIE; some are the "we which are alive and remain UNTO" [unto a particular, per THIS context]
--and I believe you are using the Daniel 12:1-4,10 [1,6-7,12,13 for its TIMING] passage, which I believe is often MISTAKEN for a "physical/bodily resurrection [from being formerly physically/bodily DEAD]"... but which passage PARALLELS (for one [I listed a number of others]), Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23, which is specifically in the CONTEXT of the nation of Israel coming up out of "the graveyard of nations [WHERE SCATTERED]" -- and NOTE what the WISE [OF THEM] THEN go on TO DO from that particular point in time (at this "mid-point" time-slot)... "they that turn many to righteousness" (very similarly to the wording in the parallel Hosea 5:15-6:3 passage I listed with them/it [also LIKENED TO a "resurrection" of sorts ("raise")], which is ALSO speaking specifically of ISRAEL [at a specific, future time period])
Thoughts on these two items??
--the fact that not all of us will DIE; some are the "we which are alive and remain UNTO" [unto a particular, per THIS context]
--and I believe you are using the Daniel 12:1-4,10 [1,6-7,12,13 for its TIMING] passage, which I believe is often MISTAKEN for a "physical/bodily resurrection [from being formerly physically/bodily DEAD]"... but which passage PARALLELS (for one [I listed a number of others]), Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23, which is specifically in the CONTEXT of the nation of Israel coming up out of "the graveyard of nations [WHERE SCATTERED]" -- and NOTE what the WISE [OF THEM] THEN go on TO DO from that particular point in time (at this "mid-point" time-slot)... "they that turn many to righteousness" (very similarly to the wording in the parallel Hosea 5:15-6:3 passage I listed with them/it [also LIKENED TO a "resurrection" of sorts ("raise")], which is ALSO speaking specifically of ISRAEL [at a specific, future time period])
Thoughts on these two items??
I'm fine with weird things in the bible.
Col 1:
19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of g your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Like i said, we hope and continue to hope.
Col 1:
19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of g your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Like i said, we hope and continue to hope.
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That's what I'm saying!
Your point that even a dry wick will burn for a moment is well taken, just as it's equally true that the lamp won't continue to burn if there's no oil left in the lamp and none in the flask to refill it. The point is, they did not have any oil when Christ returned. They died lost. They were not ready for his appearing.
You can argue your once saved always saved blather all day long, but it doesn't matter if you don't have the Spirit because you never had it, or because you lost it when you went back to unbelief. The result is the same. You won't be saved when Jesus returns without faith in Christ.
People who say even unbelievers will be saved when Jesus comes back is spewing doctrine that flies in the face of this parable and many other passages in the bible. I'm curious, what part of these particular passages do you not understand?
Hebrews 3:6 ...whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
You'd do better to at least go back to the original once saved always saved doctrine that says the one who has fallen was never saved to begin with. But this doctrine in the church today that says you can even go back to unbelief and you are still saved is horrible! There are too many passages that say the person who is not trusting Christ in faith is not saved.
Your point that even a dry wick will burn for a moment is well taken, just as it's equally true that the lamp won't continue to burn if there's no oil left in the lamp and none in the flask to refill it. The point is, they did not have any oil when Christ returned. They died lost. They were not ready for his appearing.
You can argue your once saved always saved blather all day long, but it doesn't matter if you don't have the Spirit because you never had it, or because you lost it when you went back to unbelief. The result is the same. You won't be saved when Jesus returns without faith in Christ.
People who say even unbelievers will be saved when Jesus comes back is spewing doctrine that flies in the face of this parable and many other passages in the bible. I'm curious, what part of these particular passages do you not understand?
Hebrews 3:6 ...whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
You'd do better to at least go back to the original once saved always saved doctrine that says the one who has fallen was never saved to begin with. But this doctrine in the church today that says you can even go back to unbelief and you are still saved is horrible! There are too many passages that say the person who is not trusting Christ in faith is not saved.
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Are you talking "at cross-purposes" with [member] RebuildJesussChurch?
I get that impression, from what you are saying here (and what he himself has been conveying in his posts).
I think you two are "LIKING" each others' posts apart from actually comprehending them, perhaps?
[it's just... I've seen that over and over again in my some 45-yrs as a believer... ppl joining-in-with-others (esp so as to be "against-others-still") of whom they haven't the slightest clue as to what their "beliefs" stem from (falsehoods, etc)]
I get that impression, from what you are saying here (and what he himself has been conveying in his posts).
I think you two are "LIKING" each others' posts apart from actually comprehending them, perhaps?
[it's just... I've seen that over and over again in my some 45-yrs as a believer... ppl joining-in-with-others (esp so as to be "against-others-still") of whom they haven't the slightest clue as to what their "beliefs" stem from (falsehoods, etc)]