Is it OK to tell God no we won’t do what He asks?

[stillness]

Thanks for the reply. I would suggest God does not owe to the flesh of any nation . . mercy .

Note ... (purple in parenthesis) my added comment

For if the casting away of them (the faithless mocking Jew ) be the reconciling of the world, (The promise of Joel ) what shall the receiving of them (beleivers the tongue of all nations as prophets, a kingdom of priests) be, but life from the dead? Romans 11:15

No life to those he cast away .

I would offer the word them represents two groups. The them that were used outwardly to demonstrate the unseen spiritual work of the gospel .and them the received it as it is written..... all the nations .

The them that supposed the believer were drunk was a sign against them (sign of tongues). They had another source of faith other than that as in all things written in the law and the prophets. The two witnesses of God. It, the gospel exposed the oral tradition of men called a law of the fathers.

Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

While I agree that with the old covenant nulified, God is no respecter of person; God still shows mercy to all, but not because of achievment. There are many acounts of God revealing himself to the depraved undesrrving, so that those who know their failure enter in before those who think they are deserving. "He is a Father to the Fatherless" and He is near the poor and broken hearth. I experienced this in my own life. At a time that i was homeless and out of work and strugling with adiction, He told me: be thankful for what you have: I ended up in tears and said: Lord tel me what I have do I can be thankful for it. He said: You have a relatiomship with me. It even apears necesary to fail, for God to show us mercy, so that we dont think we are better tan other. Years ago I asked the Lord: Lord, You know where all the gold is, You could show me and I'll feed the poor. He said: It would only make you more conceated. So much hiden meaning, and years later realised I was praying in my name: You could show me and I... The change of Identity is in the fellowship of the sufferings of Christ, to be made conformed to His death. So that we enter the relationship of Jesus in constant fellowship with the Father.

 

[Dino246]

And you made counter assertions, but one that stops the discussion because my scripture was pushed out of the discussion.

You didn't provide any Scripture in your opening post, which is part of the reason why I questioned your assertions in the first place.

It is all fine, I don't see what more you want?

What "more" I want is straight answers to the questions I asked in post #2:

Where in Scripture does Paul tell us "we should tell God us no, we won’t be physically circumcised nor will we restrict our diet"?

and

Where in Scripture does God tell gentiles to celebrate certain feasts?

 

[Blik]

am i empty inside if i don't go through the motions of shadows for you to witness?

I think our life is a puzzle. Our God is more real than any human and more powerful, our God is no shadow and our God can fill us with a powerful spirit, yet no one can see a human materialistic outline of God. There is physical manifestations of God's power we see when we see love and caring for others, yet God isn't physical.

People shake scolding fingers at me and label me a judinizer when I look for God's will. It is true that there are ways of working (like physical circumcision) that God does not want but I am labeled that also when I question to find out what his will is and if I am tossing out a baby with the bathwater.

We are just human, we can only put God's words that we learn from scripture in our hearts and mind and go with it. Certainly the closer we get to God's will the richer we are in real value.

 

[Blade]

Hello.. new here. I think some statements you make need to be backed up by the word. Since I didn't make them.. you should show where its written. To your 1st question I would say YES and NO lol. Look how Moshe (Moses) talked with God or Abraham. I think its a tad different when He is standing right (His presence, glory) there with you vs us now just chatting feeling (should not go by feelings) nothing. I don't see the "NO" when talking about feasts nor what day I worship. To those that do? Praise GOD!

It can be hard if you don't really study the past (OT) and what was, is for Israel and what is not. Israel was picked for a reason. It was to take His word to the world. Everything God told them to do had a reason. We can take this all they to how all of us will answer to God for every idle, empty word. I believe many times what we believe God is telling us ..that we then share with others. Was just meant for us and not others. But.. always wonderful to here this and then search your heart.. ask Him..what do you really want me to do?

 

[dcontroversal]

Paul tells us we should tell God no, we won’t be physically circumcised nor will we restrict our diet. We tell God we will be circumcised in spirit and truth and we will watch our spiritual food. Most gentiles also tell God no, we will not celebrate any feast God tells us to celebrate and no, we won’t honor the last day of the week like Jews do, not even spiritually. We decided on the first day of the week because of Christ. Is this what Christ wants us to do? Is Christ really one with the Father so what the Father tells us, so does the Son?

Paul tells us we should tell God no.......I thought I had heard everything until this post.......look the word ignorance up.......!!

 

[PennEd]

Just how flawed can a premise be?

Paul’s word IS God’s Word!

 

[Blik]

Hello.. new here. I think some statements you make need to be backed up by the word. Since I didn't make them.. you should show where its written. To your 1st question I would say YES and NO lol. Look how Moshe (Moses) talked with God or Abraham. I think its a tad different when He is standing right (His presence, glory) there with you vs us now just chatting feeling (should not go by feelings) nothing. I don't see the "NO" when talking about feasts nor what day I worship. To those that do? Praise GOD!

It can be hard if you don't really study the past (OT) and what was, is for Israel and what is not. Israel was picked for a reason. It was to take His word to the world. Everything God told them to do had a reason. We can take this all they to how all of us will answer to God for every idle, empty word. I believe many times what we believe God is telling us ..that we then share with others. Was just meant for us and not others. But.. always wonderful to here this and then search your heart.. ask Him..what do you really want me to do?

It seems to be a key issue, deciding how God sees and speaks to gentiles and Jews, and if God sees them differently or the same. When God trained the "rabble" as scripture calls them at times, that came out of Egypt it was a major undertaking.

 

[Blik]

Paul tells us we should tell God no.......I thought I had heard everything until this post.......look the word ignorance up.......!!

You make trying to put the concept of changing from fleshly circumcision to spiritual circumcision sound like something from the gutter. Soap and water, please.

 

[Blik]

You didn't provide any Scripture in your opening post, which is part of the reason why I questioned your assertions in the first place.


What "more" I want is straight answers to the questions I asked in post #2:

Where in Scripture does Paul tell us "we should tell God us no, we won’t be physically circumcised nor will we restrict our diet"?

and

Where in Scripture does God tell gentiles to celebrate certain feasts?

Are you suggesting we take up all out judinizing?

 

[dcontroversal]

You make trying to put the concept of changing from fleshly circumcision to spiritual circumcision sound like something from the gutter. Soap and water, please.

You devalue the word of God, disregard the inspired word given by Paul's hand and make a mockery of God while leading people astray.....

The drivel in your OP is found no where in scripture...Paul NEVER told anyone to tell God no....

 

[Dino246]

Are you suggesting we take up all out judinizing?

You have an amazing ability to read what I have not written. I quoted YOUR words. Just answer my questions.

 

[Butterflyyy]

Such issues people make! I am asking an opinion to a question. Is THAT making an issue? No discussions allowed, only issues? We are supposed to be christian people here, who doesn't make issues yet here we are. If we can't be christian with a christian discussion, at least let us be civil.

I do not think that telling people not to judge is telling them not to worship. One, it seems to me, has little to do with the other. And personally, I do believe that when God writes in scripture that he is speaking to both Jews and gentiles that God means it. Scripture even states that God thinks of Jews and gentiles the same, and I don't think that means that God speaks to one group and asks the other not to listen in.

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[stillness]

Is it your position that God speaks to Jews and gentiles in a different way? What about the many scriptures speaking to the Hebrews telling them He speak to them and the "strangers among you"?

Of course scripture does not tell us of any time not to worship, in fact it says that we are not to judge others based on the days they worship. It tells us when to worship only.

It still bothers me that I once overreacted to you, thankfully God is patient with us, but unless Gos has our whole heart we wont be in the First resurrection. That number will be fulfilled and neither am I there yet. The lord plainly told me: Your not ready. There's much more he told me to prepare my heart: What you dont realise is that the battle is alrwady won, its not as simple as you getting the power, you must Love the Truth. Later he told me: Your time is very short. And I think this aplies to everyone as we are entering the final time of trouble. I am convinced that loving the Truth is investing our whole heart in seeking the Lord first, Returning to Him with our whole heart by the influence of His Grace.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Such issues people make! I am asking an opinion to a question. Is THAT making an issue? No discussions allowed, only issues? We are supposed to be christian people here, who doesn't make issues yet here we are. If we can't be christian with a christian discussion, at least let us be civil.

I do not think that telling people not to judge is telling them not to worship. One, it seems to me, has little to do with the other. And personally, I do believe that when God writes in scripture that he is speaking to both Jews and gentiles that God means it. Scripture even states that God thinks of Jews and gentiles the same, and I don't think that means that God speaks to one group and asks the other not to listen in.

uhhh..

you are the one that made the issue with your click bait op title

as usual, you have an agenda and think people are somehow persuaded you have authority to teach others

stick with scripture and you will be fine. filter scripture through anything but itself and confusion will ensue

Evidently I am the only person in the world who has pondered these questions. I care, you don't, so OK.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It seems to be a key issue, deciding how God sees and speaks to gentiles and Jews, and if God sees them differently or the same. When God trained the "rabble" as scripture calls them at times, that came out of Egypt it was a major undertaking.

to who?

try to not conflate the testaments and Jewish rabbis with Jesus

doesn't it ever make a difference to you that almost no one agrees with your renderings?

but then your answer to that seems to be that you are the only one who cares

 

[Blik]

You devalue the word of God, disregard the inspired word given by Paul's hand and make a mockery of God while leading people astray.....

The drivel in your OP is found no where in scripture...Paul NEVER told anyone to tell God no....

God told us never to eat pork, then God explained that it was His way of communicating to us that we were to keep only clean things for our spiritual food and this was only a symbol of that, so we were authorized to say no to the instruction about material food. That is the right way to tell God no. I should think we could speak together as Christians, not by dragging others down as your accusations are.

If we were Christians together you would be thinking about scripture that wants us to treat instructions as God wants us to treat such instructions as diet and instructions that are to be treated in the same way as diet instructions instead of using me to judge people wrong as you are doing.

 

[Blik]

to who?

try to not conflate the testaments and Jewish rabbis with Jesus

doesn't it ever make a difference to you that almost no one agrees with your renderings?

but then your answer to that seems to be that you are the only one who cares

This post can be summed up by saying i am wrong completely in every way and it is a matter of voting to make that decision. Yet I have not read or heard of any scripture to back up the majority thinking, I am simply asking for that. On top of that the Jewish/gentile conflict is brought in as if it applies to this, and what we need is simply God's word.

God created the Hebrew race by setting some gentiles apart and gave them a job of showing His characteristics to all people, not by creating a new kind of human.

 

[Dino246]

Blik, I'm still waiting for you to answer the questions I asked in post #2.

 

[Court_11]

Paul tells us we should tell God no, we won’t be physically circumcised nor will we restrict our diet. We tell God we will be circumcised in spirit and truth and we will watch our spiritual food. Most gentiles also tell God no, we will not celebrate any feast God tells us to celebrate and no, we won’t honor the last day of the week like Jews do, not even spiritually. We decided on the first day of the week because of Christ. Is this what Christ wants us to do? Is Christ really one with the Father so what the Father tells us, so does the Son?

I do not have an answer to your question but only another question, if Paul says that we may tell god “no,” how do we explain what happened to Jonah when he attempted to deny his god given destiny?

 

[Blik]

Blik, I'm still waiting for you to answer the questions I asked in post #2.

I don't think there is one chance that you are interested in scripture and a discussion of scripture, but only in accusing, you are going on ignore.