What is it they do
know seeing their memory as in universal Alzheimer's as part of the wage of sin. . corruption has taken place?
In the new heavens and earth the former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind. Now is the time to build good memories of loved ones.
I think it would be terrible if we lost memories of loved ones when they leave this realm under the Sun. Memories are one of the better gifts given to temporal creatures.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Eccl. 9: 5-7
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Hi Garee, as you know Revelation is progressive. We learn more about the truth of any topic by studying from beginning to end.
"neither have they any more a portion
for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. " from your text, we learn that they do not have any more part "under the sun" or on earth.
But, latter in Isaiah
saiah 14:9-11 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
9 Sheol below is eager to greet your coming,
stirring up the spirits of the departed for you—
all the rulers[a] of the earth—
making all the kings of the nations
rise from their thrones.
10 They all respond to you, saying,
“You too have become as weak as we are;
you have become like us!
11 Your splendor has been brought down to Sheol,
along with the music of your harps.
Maggots are spread out under you,
and worms cover you.”
Later in Hebrews 12, we learn, from the context we know it those who have died from Hebrews 11.
12 Such
a large crowd of witnesses is all around us! So we must get rid of everything that slows us down, especially the sin that just won’t let go. And we must be determined to run the race that is ahead of us. 2 We must keep our eyes on Jesus, who leads us and makes our faith complete. He endured the shame of being nailed to a cross, because he knew that later on he would be glad he did. Now he is seated at the right side[f] of God’s throne! 3 So keep your mind on Jesus, who put up with many insults from sinners. Then you won’t get discouraged and give up.
And, later in Rev, we learn:
Revelation 6:9-11 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
9 When the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the
souls of everyone who had been killed for speaking God’s message and telling about their faith. 10 They shouted, “Master, you are holy and faithful! How long will it be before you judge and punish the people of this earth who killed us?”
11 Then each of those who had been killed was given a white robe and told to rest for a little while. They had to wait until the complete number of the Lord’s other servants and followers would be killed.
Cleary in Rev 6 they have memory.
My friend, all your proof text really says is, that they are no longer among the people on earth.
We learn from below that, those under the earth are aware and living.
Revelation 5:13 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
13 I heard every creature in heaven, on earth,
under the earth, on the sea, and everything in them say,
Blessing and honor and glory and power
be to the one seated on the throne,
and to the Lamb, forever and ever!
Philippians 2 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
Christian Humility
2 If then there is any encouragement in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any affection and mercy, 2 make my joy complete by thinking the same way, having the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility consider others as more important than yourselves. 4 Everyone should look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.
Christ’s Humility and Exaltation
5 Adopt the same attitude as that of Christ Jesus,
6 who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be exploited.[a]
7 Instead he emptied himself
by assuming the form of a servant,
taking on the likeness of humanity.
And when he had come as a man,
8 he humbled himself by becoming obedient
to the point of death—
even to death on a cross.
9 For this reason God highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee will bow—
in heaven and on earth
and
under the earth—
11 and every tongue will confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Lights in the World
12 Therefore, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, so now, not only in my presence but even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God who is working in you both to will and to work according to his good purpose. 14 Do everything without grumbling and arguing, 15 so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God who are faultless in a crooked and perverted generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world, 16 by holding firm to the word of life. Then I can boast in the day of Christ that I didn’t run or labor for nothing. 17 But even if I am poured out as a drink offering on the sacrificial service of your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. 18 In the same way you should also be glad and rejoice with me.
When a person is asleep they still have life.
Using your standards (exaggeration on my part coming up), then if one were to kill someone in their sleep than they can not be charged with a crime.