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eternally-gratefull

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TooFastTurtle said:
It says they are thrown into the fire? Does not sound like just not being able to produce fruit, granted it does that too. This again is an example of what I meant by explaining away simple verses.

There is no hope in this discussion so I believe its best we end it. We will end up going back and forth. Have a good night friend God bless you. I do not have any ill feelings toward you because of your position, I just believe it to be wrong and felt I had to say what I had to say for the sake of the readers, I believe you feel the same. Happy thanksgiving to all you Americans
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God is not the author of confusion
he does not say I give you eternal
Life. Then contradict himself and say it can be lost
yes god takes our bad and throws it in the fire as part of the pruning process it’s part of sanctification not justification

I am just discussing the word. I fear for your very soul.
 
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Then be careful you do not blot your copybook.
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It's God who has the copybook.
And it's only him who blots out names.
Assuming he does blot out names of course.

I'm sure many on here thinks he has a bottle of tipex at hand.

Your name is written in the book of life when?

So it's written in then tipexed out.
Why is it tipexed out?

If we have to be careful to not blot out ourselves from our copy book then we have a problem.
Because then we are relying on ourselves to not be blotted out.

It seems cruel for God to say "He believes in his son will be saved" then expect them to dance like a dancing Bear and if you don't then I have tipexed you out.

Truth is?
What is the truth?

If you say that God will and can lose that those he has given to Jesus then God is a liar.
Jesus said he would never lose those that the Father has given to him.

John 18:9
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”

John 6:39-40
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
 
BillG

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God is not your dog. Just be careful.
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And you are not his dog.

Be careful.

No idea why why you referenced me and not the person you responded to.

But hey ho.

You mock me and others.

Be careful you will answer for every word you say to fellow believers.
 
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EleventhHour

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Then walk with Jesus all the days of your life. You have a long way to go yet. The race is not ended.
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You seem to employ a bit of double speak, salvation is complete. ... and if you are not stating that then I wholeheartedly disagree.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Woah....... that is completely uncalled for.

How can you even say that to @BillG .. seriously, very sad :(
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Because he can.
Not a problem for me.
Unlike you and I he wishes to attack and accuse rather than discuss.

He makes it personal.
Seen it on a few other threads recently.
Purpose is to.

Won't go into it as I may get banned if expressed my true thoughts.

But we know that we are called to love each other and build each other up.

Yes he accused me of using God as my dog.
Same old same so those who accuse of using grace as a license to sin..

But he doesn't know me.

But praise God, he does know me.

And he knows I love him and strive to be what he has called me to be.

Very sad he used the term dog, given how when Jesus was on earth how detestable dogs were.
 
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EleventhHour

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BillG said:
Because he can.
Not a problem for me.
Unlike you and I he wishes to attack and accuse rather than discuss.

He makes it personal.
Seen it on a few other threads recently.
Purpose is to.

Won't go into it as I may get banned if expressed my true thoughts.

But we know that we are called to love each other and build each other up.

Yes he accused me of using God as my dog.
Same old same so those who accuse of using grace as a license to sin..

But he doesn't know me.

But praise God, he does know me.

And he knows I love him and strive to be what he has called me to be.

Very sad he used the term dog, given how when Jesus was on earth how detestable dogs were.
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Very sad indeed. :(

Well like you I make no apology for the fullness of the grace of God.

All sin was dealt with at the cross..... it is no longer a sin issue for the believer, it is a grace issue... but then they cannot understand that can they.
 
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EleventhHour said:
This should end the debate right there!!!

...I can remove the data from my phone now the debate is over :D
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Not really.

If you believe in confusion or are confused then you are not listening to God.
If not then who are we listening to?

What is there to be confused about anyway when it comes to salvation?

John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

And everything follows through.
 
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EleventhHour

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BillG said:
Not really.

If you believe in confusion or are confused then you are not listening to God.
If not then who are we listening to?

What is there to be confused about anyway when it comes to salvation?

John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

And everything follows through.
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Not really.
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So then you are stating I should keep the data on my phone!! :D

Just kidding.

Agree when it comes to salvation, no confusion to those who have responded to the call.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Very sad indeed. :(

Well like you I make no apology for the fullness of the grace of God.

All sin was dealt with at the cross..... it is no longer a sin issue for the believer, it is a grace issue... but then they cannot understand that can they.
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Focus on sin and works then the focus is not on Jesus.
If it ain't on Jesus then it's on oneself.

If it is on oneself then and we can make the grades then Jesus did not have to die.

He could have just said "I'm here to show you the way, I perfect and not to and be perfect, I don't fancy hanging on that cross anyway"

It's the grace of God that saves us but also released us to be like him.
It's his grace that keeps us and also one that reveals to us when we get it wrong.
 
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EleventhHour said:
So then you are stating I should keep the data on my phone!! :D

Just kidding.

Agree when it comes to salvation, no confusion to those who have responded to the call.
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That depends on how much data you have on your phone and how much data the phone can store.

I have 3 daughters who have to much data (selfies and photos etc) so I pay for iCloud storage.
 
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EleventhHour

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BillG said:
Focus on sin and works then the focus is not on Jesus.
If it ain't on Jesus then it's on oneself.

If it is on oneself then and we can make the grades then Jesus did not have to die.

He could have just said "I'm here to show you the way, I perfect and not to and be perfect, I don't fancy hanging on that cross anyway"

It's the grace of God that saves us but also released us to be like him.
It's his grace that keeps us and also one that reveals to us when we get it wrong.
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Beautiful.... thank you!! :)
 
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EleventhHour

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BillG said:
That depends on how much data you have on your phone and how much data the phone can store.

I have 3 daughters who have to much data (selfies and photos etc) so I pay for iCloud storage.
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Yeah I do not know what got into me today...

I have limited coffee for a long while and I had one cup today and that was it and a slow day at work ...... .... bad combination... well maybe not all bad... I did contend pretty hard.

You can get free cloud storage on Google with a Google account I think?
Yup the younger generation do like the data... Instagram, Snap Chat, Reddit, You Tube etc., etc.
 
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He could have just said "I'm here to show you the way, I perfect and not to and be perfect, I don't fancy hanging on that cross anyway"
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Just to clarify "I am here to show you the way, I am perfect and I want you to be perfect, I don't fancy hanging on the cross anyway"
 
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Night night peeps.

Just want to say that even in the debate there is one thing we must remember and cling on to and walk in, even if we dont get it.

GOD LOVES US AS MUCH AS HE LOVES JESUS.

Jesus himself said it.
 
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EleventhHour

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BillG said:
Night night peeps.

Just want to say that even in the debate there is one thing we must remember and cling on to and walk in, even if we dont get it.

GOD LOVES US AS MUCH AS HE LOVES JESUS.

Jesus himself said it.
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Amen..... Have a good rest...... time for Christmas shopping for me the day has just begun.... LOL
 
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Oh my, lose salvation, works for salvation and to keep salvation. Sounds like a lot of work which won't provide, keep what is freely given
 
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EleventhHour

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PennEd said:
I hope I'm not out of line, but you're new avatar pic is very cute!
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That is kinda funny since that isn't my cute face but my intimidating down to business face with my serious glasses...but Thank You!!
 
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