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I wish we could see all men from Gods eyes. So we would see ALL men are sinners. And we would not have people boast about how great people they are. And how they have crucified and became sin free. When in reality, they are no more sin free than anyone else.
Remember, the pharisee boasted of how great he was. And praised God he was not like the tax collector.
Who went home justified?
Ps. You ever going to answer my questions? Or have you decided to do like so many before you and ignore a question you CAN NOT ANSWER. And instead of asking yourself why. Just hope the problem goes away if ou just ignore it?
I mean, seriously, If you can not answer it, Go to yoru church and see if they can answer it, Its not that hard to respond to an interpretation of a passage of scripture. Or answer questions concerning that passage. If it is. Then something is seriously wrong.
Remember, the pharisee boasted of how great he was. And praised God he was not like the tax collector.
Who went home justified?
Ps. You ever going to answer my questions? Or have you decided to do like so many before you and ignore a question you CAN NOT ANSWER. And instead of asking yourself why. Just hope the problem goes away if ou just ignore it?
I mean, seriously, If you can not answer it, Go to yoru church and see if they can answer it, Its not that hard to respond to an interpretation of a passage of scripture. Or answer questions concerning that passage. If it is. Then something is seriously wrong.
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Well, in the case of Gal6:16 ("the Israel of God"), THAT is talking about "those of Israel who BELIEVED" (or, "those of Israel who WILL BELIEVE" [future--depending on what commentary you read--but EITHER WAY, it is "those OF ISRAEL who BELIEVED/WILL BELIEVE"]); this phrase is not speaking of GENTILES who believed/believe.
ALL 73 times that the word "Israel" is used in the NT, ALL 73 mean "ISRAEL"
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm - "How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"
ALL 73 times that the word "Israel" is used in the NT, ALL 73 mean "ISRAEL"
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm - "How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"
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And God will restore this earthly kingdom with the rightful King sitting on the throne of David. The disciples thought Jesus was originally sent to do this for the cross was hidden from them. Not until after the resurrection did the Lord open their eyes, but they still questioned the kingdom.
Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
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Acts 3:21 [speaking to "ye men of Israel," v.12 (unsaved persons as noted in v.13-15,17,19)] then states: "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [in contrast to that which He had theretofore kept "hidden in God"/was as yet undisclosed]
In vv.13 and 26 the phrase "His Servant Jesus" (they had not been expecting the "suffering servant" aspects of His Person, only the "reigning-in-power King" aspects, though both aspects had been prophesied in the OT; Chpt 3's point is Peter telling them they'd overlooked the former of these two aspects ['His Suffering Servant'], and thus had a hand [themselves] in fulfilling that very thing, vv.13-15), but this was not saying that "everything" was at this point in time (the time of Acts 3) fully fulfilled
In vv.13 and 26 the phrase "His Servant Jesus" (they had not been expecting the "suffering servant" aspects of His Person, only the "reigning-in-power King" aspects, though both aspects had been prophesied in the OT; Chpt 3's point is Peter telling them they'd overlooked the former of these two aspects ['His Suffering Servant'], and thus had a hand [themselves] in fulfilling that very thing, vv.13-15), but this was not saying that "everything" was at this point in time (the time of Acts 3) fully fulfilled
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If this is religion then i'm in it.
Heb 12:
7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? ......
11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13“Make level paths for your feet,” b so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
14Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.
Heb 10:36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
Heb 12:
7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? ......
11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13“Make level paths for your feet,” b so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
14Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.
Heb 10:36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
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But does the death and resurrection of Jesus save some and condemn some? or does it save everyone?
Col 1:15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
I think He reconciled everything (all things) as the bible says, and not some things.
Col 1:15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
I think He reconciled everything (all things) as the bible says, and not some things.
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Noose, verse 14 (of Heb12) says, "pursue peace with all men, and THE HOLINESS..."
I like how Gaebelein puts it (again):
[quoting Gaebelein]
"Hebrews 12:12-17
"Words of exhortation and encouragement follow. The first three exhortations refer to ourselves (Hebrews 12:12-13); to others and to God (Hebrews 12:14). To follow peace (pursue peace) with all men is to characterize those who have peace with God and who know the way of peace. Holiness must also be pursued, for without that none shall see the Lord. In Christ, believers are sanctified once for all, as this Epistle has so clearly demonstrated. The holiness which qualifies a man to see the Lord, is Christ, and His blessed finished work. Abiding in Him the believer pursues the way of holiness, practical holiness, separation from evil in all things. It does not mean a certain “holiness experience” by which a believer is fitted, by eradication of the old nature, or by something else, to see the Lord. In Christ the believer is sanctified; as Martin Luther used to say “My holiness is in Heaven.” The exhortation here means to pursue that holiness into which grace has called us, which grace has given and for which grace gives daily power [that is, in the here and now.] Closely connected with this is the warning which follows in Hebrews 12:15-17. The man who falls short of the grace of God, who lacketh that grace which is in Christ Jesus, his heart not resting in Him, is a mere professing believer and Possesseth not the holiness, which grace alone can give. He is a root of bitterness and a profane, and earthly-minded person, as Esau was who sold his birthright.
"(The time came when he regretted that for a paltry gratification he forfeited his right. Afterwards, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected. For though he sought carefully with tears to change his father’s mind he found (in Isaac) no place for change of mind. This seems to be the meaning of this difficult passage, Esau is never represented as an apostle [he means, apostate, here], as one who professed and appeared to be a believer, and then fell away. So (apart from other reasons) the meaning of the apostle cannot be that Esau, as an apostate, was not able to find repentance. But we know that, notwithstanding his vehement and urgent entreaties, Isaac could not change his mind, or repent him of what he had done in conferring the blessing on Jacob, which God approved of” Saphir.)"
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Hebrews 12 [source: BibleHub; bold, underline, and bracketed inserts mine; parenthesis original]
I like how Gaebelein puts it (again):
[quoting Gaebelein]
"Hebrews 12:12-17
"Words of exhortation and encouragement follow. The first three exhortations refer to ourselves (Hebrews 12:12-13); to others and to God (Hebrews 12:14). To follow peace (pursue peace) with all men is to characterize those who have peace with God and who know the way of peace. Holiness must also be pursued, for without that none shall see the Lord. In Christ, believers are sanctified once for all, as this Epistle has so clearly demonstrated. The holiness which qualifies a man to see the Lord, is Christ, and His blessed finished work. Abiding in Him the believer pursues the way of holiness, practical holiness, separation from evil in all things. It does not mean a certain “holiness experience” by which a believer is fitted, by eradication of the old nature, or by something else, to see the Lord. In Christ the believer is sanctified; as Martin Luther used to say “My holiness is in Heaven.” The exhortation here means to pursue that holiness into which grace has called us, which grace has given and for which grace gives daily power [that is, in the here and now.] Closely connected with this is the warning which follows in Hebrews 12:15-17. The man who falls short of the grace of God, who lacketh that grace which is in Christ Jesus, his heart not resting in Him, is a mere professing believer and Possesseth not the holiness, which grace alone can give. He is a root of bitterness and a profane, and earthly-minded person, as Esau was who sold his birthright.
"(The time came when he regretted that for a paltry gratification he forfeited his right. Afterwards, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected. For though he sought carefully with tears to change his father’s mind he found (in Isaac) no place for change of mind. This seems to be the meaning of this difficult passage, Esau is never represented as an apostle [he means, apostate, here], as one who professed and appeared to be a believer, and then fell away. So (apart from other reasons) the meaning of the apostle cannot be that Esau, as an apostate, was not able to find repentance. But we know that, notwithstanding his vehement and urgent entreaties, Isaac could not change his mind, or repent him of what he had done in conferring the blessing on Jacob, which God approved of” Saphir.)"
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Hebrews 12 [source: BibleHub; bold, underline, and bracketed inserts mine; parenthesis original]
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Ok but my emphases were on the part that we have to do something first to obtain God's promises.
Heb 10:36You need to persevere, so that after you have done the will of God, you will receive what He has promised.
Heb 12:11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
Romans 2:7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.
Luke 21:19By your patient endurance, you will gain your souls.
Do these verses talk about salvation too?
Heb 10:36You need to persevere, so that after you have done the will of God, you will receive what He has promised.
Heb 12:11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
Romans 2:7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.
Luke 21:19By your patient endurance, you will gain your souls.
Do these verses talk about salvation too?
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Let's start with your Romans 2:7 verse.
It should not be read apart from [/disconnected from] the overall CONTEXT... Paul, in chpts 1-3 is going back and forth [I've posted before where the "back and forth" is] between talking about the Jews and talking about the Gentiles, and CONCLUDING that "all" are under sin [3:9] (even though the Gentiles didn't have "the Law" like the Jews were given. THAT'S the point)…
So, you gotta read it as part of what Rom3:9-12 is saying (re: both [both "the Jews" and "the Gentiles" that the preceding sections were covering, back and forth, about]). Read there now (3:9-12).
Then, I would point you to Gaebelein's words regarding same:
[quoting Gaebelein]
"Romans 2:7-16
"God is righteous and He will render every man according to his deeds. Then two classes are mentioned. The first are those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, and to that class God will give eternal life. (Eternal life is here not, as in John’s Gospel a present possession. but is that to be entered in after death.) How is this to be applied? Does this answer the question how man is to be saved? it does not, but it is the question of God’s moral government. Man in his unconverted state cannot obtain eternal life by patient continuance in well doing, for we read later that God’s Word declares “there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” Man cannot seek for glory for it is written, “there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God” (3:11). On these terms no human being can obtain eternal life. Man is a sinner and all the wages he can earn is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (6:23). If eternal life is received by faith in Jesus Christ then man is able to do right and live the life that pleases God. Then there is the other class; those who obey not the truth, who live in unrighteousness, who reject His Word. Indignation and wrath is in store for such and this is the condition in which Jews and Gentiles are by nature “Among whom also we (Jews) all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath even as others (Gentiles)” (Ephesians 2:3). God states in these verses the principles on which He judges according to man’s works, and as man is a sinner and cannot do good works, man is therefore under condemnation.
"And likewise there is no respect of persons with God. The Jew may boast of a higher place than the Gentile, but God deals with all alike. The Gentiles had not the law and therefore sinned without law and they cannot escape the righteous judgment of God. They had the witness in Creation, as seen from the first chapter, and besides this there is conscience and that witnesses of what is sin; they have the knowledge of good and evil and are therefore morally responsible. They turned from God and they will be judged apart from the law; but it is more than that “they shall perish without the law.” That completely answers the teaching that the mercy of God covers in some way the heathen world and that the heathen are not lost. And the Jews had the law and did not keep it. Could the possession of the Law make them just before God? Certainly not, “for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse, for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the law to do them” (Galatians 3:10). And theirs will be the greater judgment, for they knew His will and did not according to His will and shall be beaten with many stripes (Luke 12:47). The entire passage deals with the judgment of a righteous God and that neither the Gentile without the law nor the Jew with the law is righteous before God, but that both classes must fall under the judgment of God. And there is a day appointed when this righteous judgment will be executed by the Son of Man, our Lord. And that none can be just by doing is seen in Paul’s defense of the Gospel."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Romans 2 [source: BibleHub]
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So, no, Rom2:7 is not a verse "proving" we're to earn our salvation, work FOR [to obtain] our salvation, or any such-like thing.
It should not be read apart from [/disconnected from] the overall CONTEXT... Paul, in chpts 1-3 is going back and forth [I've posted before where the "back and forth" is] between talking about the Jews and talking about the Gentiles, and CONCLUDING that "all" are under sin [3:9] (even though the Gentiles didn't have "the Law" like the Jews were given. THAT'S the point)…
So, you gotta read it as part of what Rom3:9-12 is saying (re: both [both "the Jews" and "the Gentiles" that the preceding sections were covering, back and forth, about]). Read there now (3:9-12).
Then, I would point you to Gaebelein's words regarding same:
[quoting Gaebelein]
"Romans 2:7-16
"God is righteous and He will render every man according to his deeds. Then two classes are mentioned. The first are those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, and to that class God will give eternal life. (Eternal life is here not, as in John’s Gospel a present possession. but is that to be entered in after death.) How is this to be applied? Does this answer the question how man is to be saved? it does not, but it is the question of God’s moral government. Man in his unconverted state cannot obtain eternal life by patient continuance in well doing, for we read later that God’s Word declares “there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” Man cannot seek for glory for it is written, “there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God” (3:11). On these terms no human being can obtain eternal life. Man is a sinner and all the wages he can earn is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (6:23). If eternal life is received by faith in Jesus Christ then man is able to do right and live the life that pleases God. Then there is the other class; those who obey not the truth, who live in unrighteousness, who reject His Word. Indignation and wrath is in store for such and this is the condition in which Jews and Gentiles are by nature “Among whom also we (Jews) all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath even as others (Gentiles)” (Ephesians 2:3). God states in these verses the principles on which He judges according to man’s works, and as man is a sinner and cannot do good works, man is therefore under condemnation.
"And likewise there is no respect of persons with God. The Jew may boast of a higher place than the Gentile, but God deals with all alike. The Gentiles had not the law and therefore sinned without law and they cannot escape the righteous judgment of God. They had the witness in Creation, as seen from the first chapter, and besides this there is conscience and that witnesses of what is sin; they have the knowledge of good and evil and are therefore morally responsible. They turned from God and they will be judged apart from the law; but it is more than that “they shall perish without the law.” That completely answers the teaching that the mercy of God covers in some way the heathen world and that the heathen are not lost. And the Jews had the law and did not keep it. Could the possession of the Law make them just before God? Certainly not, “for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse, for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the law to do them” (Galatians 3:10). And theirs will be the greater judgment, for they knew His will and did not according to His will and shall be beaten with many stripes (Luke 12:47). The entire passage deals with the judgment of a righteous God and that neither the Gentile without the law nor the Jew with the law is righteous before God, but that both classes must fall under the judgment of God. And there is a day appointed when this righteous judgment will be executed by the Son of Man, our Lord. And that none can be just by doing is seen in Paul’s defense of the Gospel."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Romans 2 [source: BibleHub]
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So, no, Rom2:7 is not a verse "proving" we're to earn our salvation, work FOR [to obtain] our salvation, or any such-like thing.
Let's start with your Romans 2:7 verse.
It should not be read apart from [/disconnected from] the overall CONTEXT... Paul, in chpts 1-3 is going back and forth [I've posted before where the "back and forth" is] between talking about the Jews and talking about the Gentiles, and CONCLUDING that "all" are under sin [3:9] (even though the Gentiles didn't have "the Law" like the Jews were given. THAT'S the point)…
So, you gotta read it as part of what Rom3:9-12 is saying (re: both [both "the Jews" and "the Gentiles" that the preceding sections were covering, back and forth, about]). Read there now (3:9-12).
Then, I would point you to Gaebelein's words regarding same:
[quoting Gaebelein]
"Romans 2:7-16
"God is righteous and He will render every man according to his deeds. Then two classes are mentioned. The first are those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, and to that class God will give eternal life. (Eternal life is here not, as in John’s Gospel a present possession. but is that to be entered in after death.) How is this to be applied? Does this answer the question how man is to be saved? it does not, but it is the question of God’s moral government. Man in his unconverted state cannot obtain eternal life by patient continuance in well doing, for we read later that God’s Word declares “there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” Man cannot seek for glory for it is written, “there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God” (3:11). On these terms no human being can obtain eternal life. Man is a sinner and all the wages he can earn is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (6:23). If eternal life is received by faith in Jesus Christ then man is able to do right and live the life that pleases God. Then there is the other class; those who obey not the truth, who live in unrighteousness, who reject His Word. Indignation and wrath is in store for such and this is the condition in which Jews and Gentiles are by nature “Among whom also we (Jews) all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath even as others (Gentiles)” (Ephesians 2:3). God states in these verses the principles on which He judges according to man’s works, and as man is a sinner and cannot do good works, man is therefore under condemnation.
"And likewise there is no respect of persons with God. The Jew may boast of a higher place than the Gentile, but God deals with all alike. The Gentiles had not the law and therefore sinned without law and they cannot escape the righteous judgment of God. They had the witness in Creation, as seen from the first chapter, and besides this there is conscience and that witnesses of what is sin; they have the knowledge of good and evil and are therefore morally responsible. They turned from God and they will be judged apart from the law; but it is more than that “they shall perish without the law.” That completely answers the teaching that the mercy of God covers in some way the heathen world and that the heathen are not lost. And the Jews had the law and did not keep it. Could the possession of the Law make them just before God? Certainly not, “for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse, for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the law to do them” (Galatians 3:10). And theirs will be the greater judgment, for they knew His will and did not according to His will and shall be beaten with many stripes (Luke 12:47). The entire passage deals with the judgment of a righteous God and that neither the Gentile without the law nor the Jew with the law is righteous before God, but that both classes must fall under the judgment of God. And there is a day appointed when this righteous judgment will be executed by the Son of Man, our Lord. And that none can be just by doing is seen in Paul’s defense of the Gospel."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Romans 2 [source: BibleHub]
[end quoting]
So, no, Rom2:7 is not a verse "proving" we're to earn our salvation, work FOR [to obtain] our salvation, or any such-like thing.
It should not be read apart from [/disconnected from] the overall CONTEXT... Paul, in chpts 1-3 is going back and forth [I've posted before where the "back and forth" is] between talking about the Jews and talking about the Gentiles, and CONCLUDING that "all" are under sin [3:9] (even though the Gentiles didn't have "the Law" like the Jews were given. THAT'S the point)…
So, you gotta read it as part of what Rom3:9-12 is saying (re: both [both "the Jews" and "the Gentiles" that the preceding sections were covering, back and forth, about]). Read there now (3:9-12).
Then, I would point you to Gaebelein's words regarding same:
[quoting Gaebelein]
"Romans 2:7-16
"God is righteous and He will render every man according to his deeds. Then two classes are mentioned. The first are those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, and to that class God will give eternal life. (Eternal life is here not, as in John’s Gospel a present possession. but is that to be entered in after death.) How is this to be applied? Does this answer the question how man is to be saved? it does not, but it is the question of God’s moral government. Man in his unconverted state cannot obtain eternal life by patient continuance in well doing, for we read later that God’s Word declares “there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” Man cannot seek for glory for it is written, “there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God” (3:11). On these terms no human being can obtain eternal life. Man is a sinner and all the wages he can earn is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (6:23). If eternal life is received by faith in Jesus Christ then man is able to do right and live the life that pleases God. Then there is the other class; those who obey not the truth, who live in unrighteousness, who reject His Word. Indignation and wrath is in store for such and this is the condition in which Jews and Gentiles are by nature “Among whom also we (Jews) all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath even as others (Gentiles)” (Ephesians 2:3). God states in these verses the principles on which He judges according to man’s works, and as man is a sinner and cannot do good works, man is therefore under condemnation.
"And likewise there is no respect of persons with God. The Jew may boast of a higher place than the Gentile, but God deals with all alike. The Gentiles had not the law and therefore sinned without law and they cannot escape the righteous judgment of God. They had the witness in Creation, as seen from the first chapter, and besides this there is conscience and that witnesses of what is sin; they have the knowledge of good and evil and are therefore morally responsible. They turned from God and they will be judged apart from the law; but it is more than that “they shall perish without the law.” That completely answers the teaching that the mercy of God covers in some way the heathen world and that the heathen are not lost. And the Jews had the law and did not keep it. Could the possession of the Law make them just before God? Certainly not, “for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse, for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the law to do them” (Galatians 3:10). And theirs will be the greater judgment, for they knew His will and did not according to His will and shall be beaten with many stripes (Luke 12:47). The entire passage deals with the judgment of a righteous God and that neither the Gentile without the law nor the Jew with the law is righteous before God, but that both classes must fall under the judgment of God. And there is a day appointed when this righteous judgment will be executed by the Son of Man, our Lord. And that none can be just by doing is seen in Paul’s defense of the Gospel."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Romans 2 [source: BibleHub]
[end quoting]
So, no, Rom2:7 is not a verse "proving" we're to earn our salvation, work FOR [to obtain] our salvation, or any such-like thing.
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"9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning His Son.
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life.
(1Jn5)
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"(by grace ye are [present indicative] having been saved [PERFECT participle],)" Eph2:5b
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life.
(1Jn5)
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"(by grace ye are [present indicative] having been saved [PERFECT participle],)" Eph2:5b
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